Submission in Relationships

[adam752]

I'm not going to throw anything at you. It's just the one thing that growing up has made me shy away from the Christian thought of marriage.

Not all Christians view marriage the same. My denomination would follow your track of thinking in that nethier are superior to the other, which I totally agree with. I personally perfer a relationship that is equal. Actually a turn off for me is dependency. I would rather us rely on each other because we want to not because we need to.

If I was made for man, then why should I worship God? What about all that rhetoric about being known since before time? If I'm made for a husband, then why should I bother with getting my Ph.D, because what husband wants a woman who is smarter than he? (Mostly rhetorical questions)

Rhetorical questions...

Maybe it would be better if I didn't get married. I've always wanted to, but I must admit that the aspects of Christian marriage make me want to be physically ill, they're so frightening to me.

Don't be disenchanted by the Faith or marriage because of a few fundamentalists' views on this. Read my earlier response about the Bible. Also a note, the leader of the Episcopal Church in the US is a woman...

As a man, it must seem nice to think that you're "over" your wife, but as a woman, I don't like the thought of it at all.

Not all of us guys think this. Of course I am very unorthodox when it comes to relationships (anti-traditional). Sadly, I have been criticized by many girls for not playing the role of the trad boyfriend. I guess my point is; it's not only men, but also women who further this attitude of superiority. I hope someday we stop conforming to society and its expectations and live freely.

Christ's Peace Be Always With You,

-adam

 

[A4J]

If I was made for man, then why should I worship God?

Because that is what honors God, at least in a Christian marriage.

What about all that rhetoric about being known since before time?

I'm not sure I follow what you're asking here.

If I'm made for a husband, then why should I bother with getting my Ph.D, because what husband wants a woman who is smarter than he?

My wife is already smarter than I am and it doesn't bother me one bit. Each of us has talent and gifts to use for God. Some have more prestige than others, but either way; it's all about serving God.

As a man, it must seem nice to think that you're "over" your wife, but as a woman, I don't like the thought of it at all

The key for any husband is not "lording" it over his wife, but to be the humble leader that God has ordained him to be, to give himself as Christ has given himself to the church.

 

[Rhia]

Frankly, it doesn't make sense to me.

I'm not sure if that's what I really want. It's not as easy as saying "that's what honours God" for me.

It probably means I'm not fit for marriage...

 

[followtheWay]

The model we have for submission is found in Philippians 2--Jesus Christ willingly submitted to the Father to become our sacrifice. Jesus serves as the model of both the husband and the wife--His submission to His Father exemplifies the humility of submission a wife is empowered to demonstrate to her husband. His sacrificial love exemplifies the absolute devotion a husband is to demonstrate to his wife.

If you are not ready to submit to your husband, you are not ready for marriage. Marriage isn't about me getting what I want, or being happy, or getting health benefits, or companionship. Marriage is about becoming one with another person for the purpose of demonstrating the glory of God in a manner He has carefully and clearly described and designed. The goal of a marriage partner is not to produce happiness, but as all relationships--to facilitate our holiness. It is in a loving leadership of my wife that I can most clearly demonstrate the glory of God through our relationship. It is through her humble submission to me that she does the same. I would dare say that she is much better at her role than I am at mine, and if you could ever meet her, you would never consider her a doormat, or subjugated in any way.

 

[ThorninHiscrown]

The model we have for submission is found in Philippians 2--Jesus Christ willingly submitted to the Father to become our sacrifice. Jesus serves as the model of both the husband and the wife--His submission to His Father exemplifies the humility of submission a wife is empowered to demonstrate to her husband. His sacrificial love exemplifies the absolute devotion a husband is to demonstrate to his wife.

If you are not ready to submit to your husband, you are not ready for marriage. Marriage isn't about me getting what I want, or being happy, or getting health benefits, or companionship. Marriage is about becoming one with another person for the purpose of demonstrating the glory of God in a manner He has carefully and clearly described and designed. The goal of a marriage partner is not to produce happiness, but as all relationships--to facilitate our holiness. It is in a loving leadership of my wife that I can most clearly demonstrate the glory of God through our relationship. It is through her humble submission to me that she does the same. I would dare say that she is much better at her role than I am at mine, and if you could ever meet her, you would never consider her a doormat, or subjugated in any way.

It is in a loving leadership of my wife that I can most clearly demonstrate the glory of God through our relationship. It is through her humble submission to me that she does the same. I would dare say that she is much better at her role than I am at mine

This is mainly due to the misconception of the men in the role of playing God.

 

[adam752]

I hope that all those who follow this don't eat shellfish, cut their hair, or let their wives talk in church...since it is in the Bible...

-adam

 

[sistakrista]

Submission doesn't mean becoming a "Welcome Mat," it is pretty simple, if you were to truly understand. Submitting to your husband is NOT following him blindly or without your own opinions. It is as you follow Christ - you don't do that blindly, I hope! It's just the same as everything else, it's having an attitude of serving & love.

Read the verses in Eph 5 NAS:
Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. 23For the husband is the head of the wife, as Christ also is the head of the church, He Himself being the Savior of the body.
24But as the church is subject to Christ, so also the wives ought to be to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself up for her,


It is NOT about control! Christ loves each & every one of us - NOT to enslave us, in fact, just the OPPOSITE!
There really IS freedom in serving!

 

[ThorninHiscrown]

submission was given to women after the fall as a method to alleviate the effects of a world where satan was the reigning force. Submission is not needed in a correct relation of believers except where they ought to submit to one another (end strife) in the manner of the new testiment commandments. as well as a means of keeping peace in a home. ie: right refered to might, again a method of protection given by God to protect the weaker vessel.

submit:
as a verb: in action
1. "She submitted a proposal to the agency"
2. Put before " I submit to you that the accused is guilty"
3. Yield to the control of another
4. Hand over formally
5. Refer to another person for decision or judgment
6. Submit or yield to another's wish or opinion
7. Accept or undergo, often unwillingly
8. Make an application as for a job or funding
9. Make over as a return
10. Accept as inevitable

submit as in yielding

as a verb: in action
1. Be the cause or source of
2. End resistance, especially under pressure or force
3. Give or supply
4. Give over; surrender or relinquish to the physical control of another
5. Give in, as to influence or pressure
6. Move in order to make room for someone for something
7. Bring about
8. Be willing to concede
9. Be fatally overwhelmed
10. Bring in
11. Be flexible under stress of physical force
12. Cease opposition; stop fighting
13. Consent reluctantly

_the subject is generally viewed from a man/woman standpoint but refers to all situations of control in the workforce etc. and ultimately aapplies, it would seem) to the forces encountored by humans in a satan ruled world where yeilding as opposed to combating evil is generally the safest way to protect oneself. IOW get out of the way the evil is in control and the weak are only stronger where they are in God.

 

[ThorninHiscrown]

The correct definition of Christian submission is of course definition # 5 "5. Refer to another person for decision or judgment" where submitting to each other is refering to each other.
and there should be no reason to go on to the yeild definition, except for # 8 "8. Be willing to concede" with each other.

 

[JPPT1974]

Spouses come together as one
And that they do things as one
No matter what happens through thick
And thin!!

 

[ThorninHiscrown]

Just as Jesus and the church.

 

[ThorninHiscrown]

bump

 

[pilgrimage]

submission was given to women after the fall as a method to alleviate the effects of a world where satan was the reigning force. Submission is not needed in a correct relation of believers except where they ought to submit to one another (end strife) in the manner of the new testiment commandments. as well as a means of keeping peace in a home. ie: right refered to might, again a method of protection given by God to protect the weaker vessel.

submit:
as a verb: in action
1. "She submitted a proposal to the agency"
2. Put before " I submit to you that the accused is guilty"
3. Yield to the control of another
4. Hand over formally
5. Refer to another person for decision or judgment
6. Submit or yield to another's wish or opinion
7. Accept or undergo, often unwillingly
8. Make an application as for a job or funding
9. Make over as a return
10. Accept as inevitable

submit as in yielding

as a verb: in action
1. Be the cause or source of
2. End resistance, especially under pressure or force
3. Give or supply
4. Give over; surrender or relinquish to the physical control of another
5. Give in, as to influence or pressure
6. Move in order to make room for someone for something
7. Bring about
8. Be willing to concede
9. Be fatally overwhelmed
10. Bring in
11. Be flexible under stress of physical force
12. Cease opposition; stop fighting
13. Consent reluctantly

_the subject is generally viewed from a man/woman standpoint but refers to all situations of control in the workforce etc. and ultimately aapplies, it would seem) to the forces encountored by humans in a satan ruled world where yeilding as opposed to combating evil is generally the safest way to protect oneself. IOW get out of the way the evil is in control and the weak are only stronger where they are in God.

The reference to all situations of control in workplaces etc. that many people experience is a valid point and one that not many people recognize.

The correct definition of Christian submission is of course definition # 5---Refer to another person for decision or judgment" where submitting to each other is refering to each other.
and there should be no reason to go on to the yeild definition, except for # 8 --- Be willing to concede" with each other.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Amen, I agree