Submission in Relationships

[rosengale]

Our world has turned this word into a bad thing, even though it is good. There is the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. There is also the husband, wife and children. The wife must submit to the husband, the Son must obey/submit to His Father. I have just recently learned this from the truthproject so I am not one to explain things, but the world is always tearing at the family, spliting it up. God made us to be a community. The first time the God said it was not good in the beginging is when he saw Adam was alone. It didn't reflect the essence of who God is. Just something to chew on...

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

I think the family is in minature a pattern of how God wants us to behave toward Him. We, as believers, are to be the bridegroom and be submissive to Him as the groom,.. to the extent of bringing our questions to Him, respect Him and behave on a 24/7 basis the way we know (and have been trained in society to behave, so that we are w/o excuse)) toward Him.
We've also been taught how much He loves us so we need to respect Him. If we stop to think what kind of a wife we are to Him everyday I'm sure we're all put to shame.
But it's a pattern we all understand. Just think, the angels are going to have to step down to us so maybe we should show them a good example.

 

[Immanuel]

I have no problem with obedience, but i have such a problem with submission. This is something that God is trying to break out of.

It is only under submission where we would be comletely protected. When we are not submitted, we do get into trouble.

I do want to have a submission heart and attitude.

I believe what rosengail said about the world corupting the word submit. There are other things that this world has corrupted love, sex, marriage, family, the list could go on. Because the world has corrupted these things, people have settled for a cop-out of these things and not the REAL thing -- that is in Jesus that these things can surpass.

MaidInHisImage,
I agree with you too that the family is a reflection of the trinity. Just like the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is one, so is the father, mother, and children suppose to be one. You know in some songs, they sing, "The earth is filled with His glory?" Well in Gen, it says be fruitful and multiple. We are suppose to glorify God with out worship and this is to raise up little soldiers that will go forth from generation to generation serving God. That's why it says be fruitful first, and then multiple. We are God's glory. We are the apple of His eyes. How awesome is that eh?

Ok, I kind of went off of the topic, but yeah, family is the foundation of life because it is a reflection of the trinity. God's love for His Son Jesus, and Jesus' submission to the Father (Husband and Wife). I could go on and on about this, but I will stop here.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Fearful obedience is never submission. Submission is a dignified observance of God's prescribed way.
IE: When the husband goes away for a month they both know darn well she can take care of the farm, but when he returns she steps down and gives him place, usually more than happy to do so, too. IMO

 

[ERice2nd]

In a marrige there are vows, just like God's covenant to us. There are two sides to the vows/covenant. God is doing his part and we are to do ours...Just as in a marrige, If a wife is to submit to the husband then the husband needs to step up and be a husband to his wife and father to his kids, Just as God steps up and is father/groom to us.

 

[A4J]

I believe the hardest part of submission is accepting our roles, especially if it clashes with our character. But if God has put these things in order, I also believe He will enable us if we are willing.

 

[adam752]

Submission is such a strong word...I believe in an equal relationship between husband and wife. For me, marriage is a partnership with no "submission" to anyone.

-adam

 

[GodrockDJ]

I believe the hardest part of submission is accepting our roles, especially if it clashes with our character. But if God has put these things in order, I also believe He will enable us if we are willing.

We need to learn to accept what God has dealt us (in regards to roles of submission) and rejoice in it as part of His master plan.

 

[A4J]

Submission is such a strong word...I believe in an equal relationship between husband and wife. For me, marriage is a partnership with no "submission" to anyone.

-adam

I would encourage you to read 1 Peter 3.

 

[...butterfly...]

I believe a woman should be submissive to her husband
1st Peter 3:1 says:
"Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives"

Now I do think that the word submissive has been proverted by society, for instance some wives feel that they have to be submissive to every sexual desire of their husband, and this ends in marital rape.

i think the Lord intended for women to see their husbands as the head of household.

 

[ERice2nd]

I believe a woman should be submissive to her husband
1st Peter 3:1 says:
"Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives"

Now I do think that the word submissive has been proverted by society, for instance some wives feel that they have to be submissive to every sexual desire of their husband, and this ends in marital rape.

i think the Lord intended for women to see their husbands as the head of household.

Yup, Yup
And men have that responsibilty to their wives.

 

[adam752]

I believe a woman should be submissive to her husband
1st Peter 3:1 says:
"Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives"

Now I do think that the word submissive has been proverted by society, for instance some wives feel that they have to be submissive to every sexual desire of their husband, and this ends in marital rape.

i think the Lord intended for women to see their husbands as the head of household.

Unfortunately this argument will not sway my thinking because I do not interpret the Bible literally or even consider some parts of the Bible as truly accurate. I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with strictly adhering to the Bible.

With that said, my view of 1 Peter and many of the other epistles are that are letters of advice to others, no more, no less. I think the epistles offer excellent advice in most cases however they are unnecessary for the continuation of the church and faith. Obviously, the faith and churches were established before the Bible or else Paul and Peter would have been writing to imaginary churches.

I like to compare the epistles with the church writings of today. Many books of advice written today by ordained clergy (just as Peter was) are not considered as Biblical text. (The Purpose Driven Life has not been added to the Bible) Why is that?

Also, the canonical texts were chosen by men in a patriarchal society. There are several other books of the Bible that were not included in the canon. Possibly there is a correlation between female submission and the patriarchal society of the time.

I know there will be much argument against this, and I am sure you will not convince me that I am wrong. Likewise, I don’t expect my argument to win over anyone else. All of us already have set views which are tough to change.

May Christ's Peace Always Be With You,

-adam

 

[JPPT1974]

We need to learn to accept what God has dealt us (in regards to roles of submission) and rejoice in it as part of His master plan.

Not just submit to relationships earthwise
But most of all, to God
As our relationship with Him through Christ
Is the most important relationship of all!

 

[A4J]

Unfortunately this argument will not sway my thinking because I do not interpret the Bible literally or even consider some parts of the Bible as truly accurate. I'm not implying that there is anything wrong with strictly adhering to the Bible.

With that said, my view of 1 Peter and many of the other epistles are that are letters of advice to others, no more, no less. I think the epistles offer excellent advice in most cases however they are unnecessary for the continuation of the church and faith. Obviously, the faith and churches were established before the Bible or else Paul and Peter would have been writing to imaginary churches.

I like to compare the epistles with the church writings of today. Many books of advice written today by ordained clergy (just as Peter was) are not considered as Biblical text. (The Purpose Driven Life has not been added to the Bible) Why is that?

Also, the canonical texts were chosen by men in a patriarchal society. There are several other books of the Bible that were not included in the canon. Possibly there is a correlation between female submission and the patriarchal society of the time.

I know there will be much argument against this, and I am sure you will not convince me that I am wrong. Likewise, I don’t expect my argument to win over anyone else. All of us already have set views which are tough to change.

May Christ's Peace Always Be With You,

-adam

I guess that's the point. The bible is the Word of God and as such, we should be obedient to the things which are obvious in it. It's not advice if it's the Word of God, it's commandment. This is the life we should live in order to please God. If the authority we have been given is just advice, then we're all just living the way we want to and that's the problem with the world is we live the way we want to and not the way God intended.

 

[lovepearlsandswine]

Great analogy.

 

[Rhia]

here's the problem as I see it though, feel free to PM me if it really bothers you:

Many guys as Christian as they can be, are affected by what happens around us, I don't wish to be treated like property, and I know a ton of Christian guys who would treat me that way.

Why should I have to submit to a man who would want to subjugate me, and insist that he is more correct, simply because he is a man? I don't find that to be loving. I don't find the concept of submission as it's detailed in the NT as being very loving either. It's heirarchy, there's no room for me to have my own say, I 'belong to my husband'. I don't want to belong to anyone, I just want whomever I marry to love me, not be over me.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

here's the problem as I see it though, feel free to PM me if it really bothers you:

Many guys as Christian as they can be, are affected by what happens around us, I don't wish to be treated like property, and I know a ton of Christian guys who would treat me that way.

Why should I have to submit to a man who would want to subjugate me, and insist that he is more correct, simply because he is a man? I don't find that to be loving. I don't find the concept of submission as it's detailed in the NT as being very loving either. It's heirarchy, there's no room for me to have my own say, I 'belong to my husband'. I don't want to belong to anyone, I just want whomever I marry to love me, not be over me.

The only place to in the bible that says you belong to your husband is where it says a wife's body belongs to him and his body belongs to her so not to withhold it from each other for any other reason than God.

subjugate= definition=
1 Put down by force or intimidation
2 Make subservient; force to submit or subdue
That definately leaves no room for say but I don't think the bible says that. It says a man is to love his wife or God won't hear his prayers. And a woman is to respect her husband. Abuse is abuse no matter how cleverly disguised and women shouldn't be forced to do anything. If a husband and wife disagree to the point where no settlement can come and one is forced to make a discision then I think the husband should pray that the wife changes her mind to be sure he is in the will of God.

 

[A4J]

here's the problem as I see it though, feel free to PM me if it really bothers you:

Many guys as Christian as they can be, are affected by what happens around us, I don't wish to be treated like property, and I know a ton of Christian guys who would treat me that way.

Why should I have to submit to a man who would want to subjugate me, and insist that he is more correct, simply because he is a man? I don't find that to be loving. I don't find the concept of submission as it's detailed in the NT as being very loving either. It's heirarchy, there's no room for me to have my own say, I 'belong to my husband'. I don't want to belong to anyone, I just want whomever I marry to love me, not be over me.

I'll duck and cover after I say this....

The woman was made for the man, not the other way around. Why should you submit? Because it's God's Word that you should. If you don't plan to submit, I would probably not get married because in that lack of submission, you sin against God. The bible tells us that the woman will win over her husband by her goodness. Now we know this is not in all cases, but that particular passage was aimed at Christian marriages, not unequally yoked ones.

Ok, now I'm ducking.......

 

[Rhia]

I'm not going to throw anything at you. It's just the one thing that growing up has made me shy away from the Christian thought of marriage.

If I was made for man, then why should I worship God? What about all that rhetoric about being known since before time? If I'm made for a husband, then why should I bother with getting my Ph.D, because what husband wants a woman who is smarter than he? (Mostly rhetorical questions)

Maybe it would be better if I didn't get married. I've always wanted to, but I must admit that the aspects of Christian marriage make me want to be physically ill, they're so frightening to me.

As a man, it must seem nice to think that you're "over" your wife, but as a woman, I don't like the thought of it at all.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Men probably don't like having women bosses either but they're told to submit to that authority. Just a thought. There's human rights and then there's what's right in the eyes of God and who can argue with either.
I had a difficult time with marraige b/c I wouldn't "submit" in the sence my husband thought. Sorry, no good behavior to turn him around, but I think those clauses are for our protection b/c I would have been safer if I had not followed the husband where I shouldn't but followed God where I should.