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Yes, but your comment seemed to invalidate her testimony. You brushed aside the whole notion of headship, claiming no one knows what goes on behind closed doors.
Following your lead, I guess we will never know.I explained my intentions in the previous post. If you believe otherwise that's okay.
~Bella
Following your lead, I guess we will never know.
Why should submission and obedience be controversial? The answer is simple. Man's very nature rebels at the thought of being in submission and in obedience. The fall of man came about because of Adam's disobedience and man has been in revolt against God's authority ever since.
Many people object to the principle of men being head of the household. It's not just women who object, many men also think it wrong. Yet it is plainly God's order. Joyce Meyer has to be one of the most successful Christian women on the planet. She teaches women to submit to their husbands. God has honoured her in that.
Submission is not domination. Husbands are commanded to love their wives as Christ loved the church. Preaching a sermon on love then beating up your wife (verbally or physically) is hypocrisy of the highest order. Lord Jesus said that the way we treat believers is the way we are treating Him.
Submission is a safety net. If the husband messes up, God holds him responsible, not the wife. If you want the perfect example of submission and obedience, you know where to look. He is now King of Kings and Lord of Lords, highly exalted with the name above all names.
God requires submission and obedience for very good reasons. One reason is quite simple. It goes against the self-centred egotistical nature that we inherit from Adam.
If we want to make real progress in the Christian life, we should be seeking grace to know God's will, to do God's will and in a manner that is submissive, not sullen and resentful. To obey is indeed better than sacrifice.
Submission isn't a safety net, because if the husband does the wrong thing, and is abusive in any way, it leaves you with no recourse. You are trapped in that abusive dynamic.
It has been well documented that men who believe they have a God-given authority over women are more likely to commit domestic violence than men who see women as their equals. It's a dangerous doctrine.
God alone is safe to submit to totally. For humans, although we are called to a level of mutual submission, there must always be boundaries and safeguards.
On another thread a member is admonishing others for failing to remain in abusive relationships and enduring the suffering as mandated by God.
There are unhealthy people who are incapable of directing others without causing harm. Acknowledging its existence isn’t wrong.
~Bella
I didn’t attack her. I like her and read her books. But I don’t know her personally. There’s an old adage which says the same. We don’t know how anyone behaves behind closed doors. That’s why the “Sunday Christian” comment is popular.
~Bella
But when Eve got Adam to eat the forbidden fruit, both were punished and the serpent was punished.Submission is a safety net. If the husband messes up, God holds him responsible, not the wife.
But when Eve got Adam to eat the forbidden fruit, both were punished and the serpent was punished.
So, I would say if a Christian lady is submissive to a wrong guy, this means only if she is doing what is acceptable to God.
And their example can help any disobedient man >
"Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear." (1 Peter 3:1-2)
So, in case a husband is wrong somehow, I see here how God is saying He can use the good example of Christian housewives to win any disobedient person. So, I conclude that God is not going to have a Christian lady doing what is wrong.
And > "without a word" > she has the greater power than a child of Satan does, to say the least.
This is because of all which is possible with God who is good. So, this does not mean some bad thing. God's grace in her is almighty, able to spread God's effect to his character to change him to God's love >
"from the power of Satan to God" (in Acts 26:18).
1 Peter 3:4 shows how God's grace is almighty in her. So, even if he does not change but gets worse, still she is benefiting from how the beauty of God's love in her is "incorruptible" > so she is not corrupted by fear and worry and hurry and boredom and loneliness and bitterness and unforgiveness and frustration and the abuse of lusts for pleasure and excitement.
The real abuse is worry which is such a pathological lier and abuser. And stress is very degrading; but God's peace is almighty to keep our "hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (please feed on Philippians 4:6-7)
So, an obedient woman is first concerned about obeying how God is able to have her character become like this. And He gives her personal guiding about how to deal with a disobedient husband. In case he is dangerous, God can guide her about this, of course. Jesus didn't stay around people where they were getting ready to kill Him, in a number of situations.
But when Eve got Adam to eat the forbidden fruit, both were punished and the serpent was punished.
So, I would say if a Christian lady is submissive to a wrong guy, this means only if she is doing what is acceptable to God.
And their example can help any disobedient man >
"Wives, likewise, be submissive to your own husbands, that even if some do not obey the word, they, without a word, may be won by the conduct of their wives, when they observe your chaste conduct accompanied by fear." (1 Peter 3:1-2)
So, in case a husband is wrong somehow, I see here how God is saying He can use the good example of Christian housewives to win any disobedient person. So, I conclude that God is not going to have a Christian lady doing what is wrong.
And > "without a word" > she has the greater power than a child of Satan does, to say the least.
This is because of all which is possible with God who is good. So, this does not mean some bad thing. God's grace in her is almighty, able to spread God's effect to his character to change him to God's love >
"from the power of Satan to God" (in Acts 26:18).
1 Peter 3:4 shows how God's grace is almighty in her. So, even if he does not change but gets worse, still she is benefiting from how the beauty of God's love in her is "incorruptible" > so she is not corrupted by fear and worry and hurry and boredom and loneliness and bitterness and unforgiveness and frustration and the abuse of lusts for pleasure and excitement.
The real abuse is worry which is such a pathological lier and abuser. And stress is very degrading; but God's peace is almighty to keep our "hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (please feed on Philippians 4:6-7)
So, an obedient woman is first concerned about obeying how God is able to have her character become like this. And He gives her personal guiding about how to deal with a disobedient husband. In case he is dangerous, God can guide her about this, of course. Jesus didn't stay around people where they were getting ready to kill Him, in a number of situations.
wow. there is another thread today which has gone the same. something in the water maybe?
That's the one I'm referencing.
~Bella
my father was like that. a born again spirit filled christian who sued Bible to justify his cruelty. i only recently came back to God after years of not wanting anything to do with Him, even after being saved back in 2006 until recently i had a hatred of many church teachings. i forgive my dad but God has been harder to forgive.
i dont think that one wills stay open. they will delete it i expect. usually that is whta happens when people are too open and raw about their own experiences-.
Threads are closed for many reasons. If the discussion digresses to a point where decorum leaves or the comments are off-topic that usually warrants a warning or closure if the behavior continues.
Your honesty wouldn't be the catalyst for its demise.
~Bella
`i think it was not decorous but hten i also think people are vey sensitive these days and tend to take offence very easiy. i di call out some false teachers on there by name, but not sure whether CF is ok wit that or not
Offense inhibits transparency. You'll have difficulty sharing if the person is excitable and reacts negatively to your admissions. Healthy discourse includes varying degrees of difference. Few agree on everything.
~Bella
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