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SassySDA said:
Ok, first of all, it would appear that ONCE AGAIN, awesumtenor has chosen to either misunderstand my statement, or dig around until he can find something to tear apart about it.

No, once again, you are mistaken.

I gathered that the questions were asked to draw us to seek what the Lord leads us to do based on His word.

There is not one thing any of you can say to justify demonizing another member who has asked a question. There is no excuse for becoming immediately defensive over questions posed. Such behavior is inappropriate and uncalled for, no matter how you slice it. It would be prudent to learn to stick to the questions rather than attempting to muddy the waters with personal attacks and feeble accusations which draw us away from ANY lessons that might learn while studying Gods and seeking to know what the word of God says.

What I gathered from the questions awesumt has asked is this. We must be very mindful that we do not allow our "feelings" to lead us to say and do things presumptuously. Two very extreme examples come to mind. One, thinking he was "led" by Gods spirit urged others to follow along and he started "The Peoples Temple". The other joined and eventually became the leader of "The Branch Davidians". Both of these sincere believers "thought" themselves led by God. But were they?

How can we claim that the Holy Spirit is leading/urging when, we admit from the start that we are working under the influence of our flesh intending to start an uproar, so much so that we can not type it out fast enough? How can we, in good conscience, claim that we are led/urged by the Holy Spirit in spite of the fact that Gods word tells us that the carnal mind is not in agreement with the Spirit of God? That is what I was drawn to consider from taking a moment to pray, read the word and measuring the action against the standard Gods measures us by. Consider the following:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

The word also tells us:

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 — For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. KJV

As each of us grows and matures in our relationship with Christ Jesus I pray we will be more inclined to be quick to hear and slow to speak. Please seriously consider the following:


Jam 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
Jam 3:6 And the tongue [is] a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
Jam 3:7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
Jam 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; [it is] an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Jam 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Jam 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Jam 3:11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet [water] and bitter?
Jam 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so [can] no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
Jam 3:13 Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
Jam 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Jam 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but [is] earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jam 3:16 For where envying and strife [is], there [is] confusion and every evil work.
Jam 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Jam 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Jam 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
Jam 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Jam 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jam 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. KJV

Be blessed all.
 
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Seraph1m said:
No, once again, you are mistaken.

I gathered that the questions were asked to draw us to seek what the Lord leads us to do based on His word.

There is not one thing any of you can say to justify demonizing another member who has asked a question. There is no excuse for becoming immediately defensive over questions posed. Such behavior is inappropriate and uncalled for, no matter how you slice it. It would be prudent to learn to stick to the questions rather than attempting to muddy the waters with personal attacks and feeble accusations which draw us away from ANY lessons that might learn while studying Gods and seeking to know what the word of God says.

What I gathered from the questions awesumt has asked is this. We must be very mindful that we do not allow our "feelings" to lead us to say and do things presumptuously. Two very extreme examples come to mind. One, thinking he was "led" by Gods spirit urged others to follow along and he started "The Peoples Temple". The other joined and eventually became the leader of "The Branch Davidians". Both of these sincere believers "thought" themselves led by God. But were they?

How can we claim that the Holy Spirit is leading/urging when, we admit from the start that we are working under the influence of our flesh intending to start an uproar, so much so that we can not type it out fast enough? How can we, in good conscience, claim that we are led/urged by the Holy Spirit in spite of the fact that Gods word tells us that the carnal mind is not in agreement with the Spirit of God? That is what I was drawn to consider from taking a moment to pray, read the word and measuring the action against the standard Gods measures us by. Consider the following:

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

The word also tells us:

Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 — For to be carnally minded [is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. KJV

As each of us grows and matures in our relationship with Christ Jesus I pray we will be more inclined to be quick to hear and slow to speak. Please seriously consider the following:


Jam 3:5 Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth!
Jam 3:6 And the tongue [is] a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
Jam 3:7 For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind:
Jam 3:8 But the tongue can no man tame; [it is] an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.
Jam 3:9 Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
Jam 3:10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
Jam 3:11 Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet [water] and bitter?
Jam 3:12 Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so [can] no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
Jam 3:13 Who [is] a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
Jam 3:14 But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
Jam 3:15 This wisdom descendeth not from above, but [is] earthly, sensual, devilish.
Jam 3:16 For where envying and strife [is], there [is] confusion and every evil work.
Jam 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, [and] easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Jam 3:18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

Jam 1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
Jam 1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.
Jam 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jam 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves. KJV

Be blessed all.

Ok, let's put this issue away now. Both sides of the coin have been addressed, and there is no need to press the issue further at this point. It is becoming antagonistic to say the least.
 
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woobadooba said:
Ok, let's put this issue away now. Both sides of the coin have been addressed, and there is no need to press the issue further at this point. It is becoming antagonistic to say the least.
When one finds Gods counsel antagonistic that is something one must take up with God. :) I will pray for you.

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Seraph1m said:
When one finds Gods counsel antagonistic that is something one must take up with God. :) I will pray for you.Be blessed.

Saying that you will pray for me IN THIS CONTEXT, not only discloses an attitude of self righteousness, but it's utterly antagonistic! It is really sad that you can't see this.


What kind of example are you setting for people that are not SDA by doing this? You are doing more harm in here than you are doing good!


And I don't see that it is of the Spirit to be so pushy. If a person doesn't accept what you have to say, you don't have to grind the mesage into her. That is not Christ's way!
 
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Mod hat on^

Please stop sniping at each other. Both sides have done this for the past week. Neither side is innocent despite both claiming to be. This is the last item that will result in a Mod Hat. The rest will cause staff records, which can Fully be avoided by adherance to the rules and more importantly Scripture regarding dealing with each other. (ie- 1 Cor 13:2-4 which tells us that no amount of religious correctness can substantiate an unkind word)

^Mod Hat Off
 
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TrustAndObey said:
Hiya Brother Tim! Good to have you back! Be careful what you ask for, I have lots of questions! :)

God bless,
~Lainie

Heh. No worries. Ask away. And don't feel like you've got to get 'em all out in one breath. It's an open invitation. Anytime down the road, I'm willing to try. At the very least, I'll help you find a place to look for the answer and we'll BOTH learn something. ;)

Be you,
for Him.
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My main question right now is about Revelation 10. What is the symbology of John eating the book? What is the book symbolic of and why did it taste good but turn bitter in his stomach?

When I was reading Revelation I kept looking for the explanation of this and never found it. Or maybe it was right in front of my face but I spaced it!

What do you think that's all about?
 
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This thread has been a source of problems. I'm closing it before it pops back up.

I am very much against the whole idea of belittling someone because of their age (either spiritually or physically) because A) it's against the rules but more importantly B) it takes the gifts God gives people out of play. God gives different people gifts that give us special abilities. A person in the church 6 months, blessed with the spiritual gift of discernment (1 Cor 12) can often show uncanny maturity of spirit. To assume that the only way to receive this is through work, study and experience is totally against Scripture. Not to mention C) that it discourages the spiritually or physically younger individual from participating.
 
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