Stuff about GWB

[Izdaari Eristikon]

I don't dislike GWB. I think he wanted to do the right thing, was not overly taken with himself, and wanted to protect his country. But other than appointing two good justices to the Supreme Court, I can't think of much that he did that was both significant and good. And as for Justices Alito and Roberts, remember that if GWB had had his way and not felt the pressure from Conservatives, he'd have put a lightweight with no Conservative credentials on the court instead of Alito.

Right, I forgot to give him credit for Roberts and Alito, two very fine appointments, even though Alito wasn't his first choice.

 

[Cris413]

Yes...Supreme Court appointments are probably the most important...but not everyone will agree that Roberts and Alito were good choices....again subjective depending on which way one leans either conservative or liberal.

And it's the same with the info provided B...most of the info I posted regarding the tax cuts was presented online in a negative fashion....I just don't happen to agree with that perspective.

Alot of what you found to be negative could have been quite positive depending on whom you ask.

Bush could have rescued a baby from a burning building....but would have been criticized the building caught on fire in the first place....somehow that would have been his fault because he lost a pack of matches 30 years ago....

It can be hard to dig through the muck and make our own decisions sometimes....we've been trained all our lives that if it's reported it must be true.

Which is why it kinda cracks me up when people are all "provide the links"...like there is a truck load of reliable, unbiased info out there....

The good stuff George W did....or the bad stuff he did....it's all relative to one's own perspective.

Personally....I think "W" will go down in history as the most misrepresented Pres our country ever had.

 

[Albion]

So all I have to work with is what Cris said?

Alas, GWB wasn't a very good president. He wasn't a war criminal, a Nazi, a congenital liar, or all the other things the Michael Moores of the land want everyone to believe. He didn't do much that was right, however, and did do much that was wrong. That's just the way it is.

 

[Cris413]

Alas, GWB wasn't a very good president. He wasn't a war criminal, a Nazi, a congenital liar, or all the other things the Michael Moores of the land want everyone to believe. He didn't do much that was right, however, and did do much that was wrong. That's just the way it is.

While it is hard to quantify at the moment...if we take into consideration that this country survived 9-11, a two front war and massive multiple natural disasters but yet continued to move forward during most of his Admin isn't all sloppy work.

Things started heading downhill around 2006....ummmm....when the Dem Majority took control of the House and the Senate...and Bush basically caved like a puppy to them...

....just my perspective....

We had 8 years of safety after 9-11....and depending on how we roll from here....that may continue....if not....we could be looking at those years of safety and prosperity as the last we'll ever see....

....'course that's all speculation at the mo

 

[Albion]

While it is hard to quantify at the moment...if we take into consideration that this country survived 9-11, a two front war and massive multiple natural disasters but yet continued to move forward during most of his Admin isn't all sloppy work.

Well, he gave us both of those wars, so surviving them doesn't seem that much a feather in his cap. And although he could be said to have kept us safe from another 9-11, at what cost to our liberties did it come? We now have given the Obama regime the power to deny most of our constitutional rights as a consequence.

Things started heading downhill around 2006....ummmm....when the Dem Majority took control of the House and the Senate...and Bush basically caved like a puppy to them...

I'd agree that he seems to have gone noticeably downhill after that.

 

[Cris413]

Not saying it was a feather in his cap and I really don't want to debate the war...however...at the time pretty much both sides of the isle (just as many of the American people) were for the war in Iraq....except John Kerry who voted for it before he voted against it....

It just cracks me up that so many think this was George W's decision and his decision alone...rogue cowboy with his itchy trigger finger on the button....no...it was Congressionally approved.

And interestingly....years later....when it wasn't as neat and pretty as everyone would have liked....like there is anything ever neat and pretty about war on any level....everyone cries foul....and it's all Bush's fault.

I mean Clinton was lobbing bombs all over the world and that seemed to just fine...and that whole "Clinton lied but no one died" crapola....I think many people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Bonsnia, Sudan and Belgrade would beg to differ....

....and most of that is blown off as unfortunate decisions made on bad intel....


I do agree the Patriot Act was not the best thing and I didn't like it one bit....but my thoughts were...as were the thoughts of many....my privacy is a small price to pay for the safety of the country....and anyone listening to my phone calls are gonna be kinda bored...

....how soon we forget devistations such as 9-11

....sadly....it never occured to me at the time....that my conservative values and my religious beliefs may define me as a possible recruit to RWE groups with a high propensity to be a threat to National Security....

 

[Albion]

Not saying it was a feather in his cap and I really don't want to debate the war...however...at the time pretty much both sides of the isle (just as many of the American people) were for the war in Iraq....except John Kerry who voted for it before he voted against it....

It just cracks me up that so many think this was George W's decision and his decision alone.

Well, in reality...it was. Unless we say that his advisors are more responsible and he went along with them. The only reason that the Dems and most Americans went along was because he justified the war to them.

I mean Clinton was lobbing bombs all over the world and that seemed to just fine...and that whole "Clinton lied but no one died" crapola....I think many people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kosovo, Bonsnia, Sudan and Belgrade would beg to differ....

No argument about that here, but the question didn't ask about Clinton.

 

[Cris413]

Well, in reality...it was. Unless we say that his advisors are more responsible and he went along with them. The only reason that the Dems and most Americans went along was because he justified the war to them.


No argument about that here, but the question didn't ask about Clinton.

thanks for the input....

 

[Simon_Templar]

I think Bush's biggest problem was that he, either because of personal beliefs, or because of his advisors, practiced "compassionate conservatism" which is just code for 'progressive republican'.

He spent way too much, he expanded government to dangerous levels.

It is true that some of the worst of our economic crisis is due to the liberal congress, however, the sad reality is that Bush pursued the exact same plan as Obama has in addressing that Crisis.

Thats the real irony of all this. The very same policies that people so hated Bush for have all been continued by Obama.

Probably the only major difference is that Bush would not have put forward the Cap and Trade plan.

 

[MrJim]

Wasn't the expanded gov't a byproduct of 9-11, mostly security related stuff?

 

[Cris413]

I think Bush's biggest problem was that he, either because of personal beliefs, or because of his advisors, practiced "compassionate conservatism" which is just code for 'progressive republican'.

He spent way too much, he expanded government to dangerous levels.

It is true that some of the worst of our economic crisis is due to the liberal congress, however, the sad reality is that Bush pursued the exact same plan as Obama has in addressing that Crisis.

Thats the real irony of all this. The very same policies that people so hated Bush for have all been continued by Obama.

Probably the only major difference is that Bush would not have put forward the Cap and Trade plan.

I'm not sure I completely agree with this....as I mentioned earlier....I consider Bush did error in his last few years in office by pandering to the Dem Majority....which is about where we see the stage set and rapid decline beginning.

Personally...I also consider there are many uber-wealthy groups that pull a lot of strings in government and have been for a very long time.

The movement toward a New World Order has been in motion for a long time...or "Globalization" I believe is the PC term now.

There has been an agenda for decades and politicians play their part and I don't think George W.....in his wildest dreams....would have ever been for the Government "takeover" we're seeing in motion today...

He might have had a hand in progressing BIG GOV....but this current Admin is taking it to levels that I don't think any of us could have even imagine before.

I think I likened it in another post to "W" loaded the gun...and BHO has gone trigger happy...

And it was all bound to happen eventually as Alexander Tyler noted:

From bondage to spiritual faith to great courage to liberty to abundance to selfishness to complacency to apathy to dependency and back to bondage...

Praise God....it's not the Government Believers depend nor have faith in....

 

[Albion]

Wasn't the expanded gov't a byproduct of 9-11, mostly security related stuff?

Yeh, that was the big blanket that was thrown over all our personal freedoms so that today we have lost many of them. This is pretty serious stuff, if you ask me. Cris said that she doesn't mind having her phone conversations secretly listened to, but I do. And none of us live as freely as we did before the Patriot Act, even though we are normal, law-abiding citizens. We cannot travel freely. We cannot make financial transactions freely. We cannot even renew a driver's license without the State verifying our national identity number, i.e. the Social Security number. The government is set to take away gun ownership from hundreds of thousands of people on the premise that they might be terrorists, and with no explanations. And who are terrorists, anyway? Oh, we already know that answer. It's anyone who is a veteran, anyone who has a Libertarian or Constitution Party bumper sticker, or an anti-United Nations sticker, anyone who carries cash instead of plastic, etc. etc.

 

[Cris413]

Please don't misquote me Albion....I didn't say I didn't mind....I said I didn't like one little bit....but at the time....it seemed a small price to pay in light of 9-11 and the very real, very HUGE threat of terrorism....

....just like it takes a couple hours to get through the airport...last time I flew....I was marked for extra-security measures....it was a pain in tushy but that is also the price we pay for safety measures....as sadly....it has to be done randomly rather than discriminately....

 

[MrJim]

eh, freedom is overrated...

 

[Albion]

Please don't misquote me Albion....I didn't say I didn't mind....I said I didn't like one little bit....but at the time....it seemed a small price to pay in light of 9-11 and the very real, very HUGE threat of terrorism....

Please don't start down that road again. When a person says that "X doesn't mind" it means that they are not opposed to it happening.

....just like it takes a couple hours to get through the airport...last time I flew....I was marked for extra-security measures....it was a pain in tushy but that is also the price we pay for safety measures....as sadly....it has to be done randomly rather than discriminately....

That's what you are supposed to think, of course.

Yet, we live with all kinds of criminality all the time and yet had not, until recently, bought into the idea of a police state being what America is all about. The founding fathers knew that there were criminals and evil-doers who could hurt us but yet supported free speech, freedom of assembly, and so on. I think they were right.

 

[CruciFixed]

Never mind. I don't wanna put Bush in my blog.

 

[Cris413]

Please don't start down that road again. When a person says that "X doesn't mind" it means that they are not opposed to it happening.


That's what you are supposed to think, of course.

Yet, we live with all kinds of criminality all the time and yet had not, until recently, bought into the idea of a police state being what America is all about. The founding fathers knew that there were criminals and evil-doers who could hurt us but yet supported free speech, freedom of assembly, and so on. I think they were right.

whatever Albion...my bad for engaging you in conversation in the first place.... I knew better.

 

[Lady Bug]

eh, freedom is overrated...

why would it be overrated? I'm sure that those whose human rights are being violated anywhere in this world would love to have freedom just curious.

I don't think that freedom is something to be taken for granted.

 

[Albion]

Never mind. I don't wanna put Bush in my blog.

Getting back to why you wrote us in the first place, I'd say that your best bet is to debunk the positively ridiculous things your friends think. They are so wrong that it would be easier to show that they don't have enough awareness of world affairs to be criticizing Bush than for you to praise him. BTW, Bush put troops into Afghanistan, and that war still goes on with Obama now adding more troops. Usama Bin Laden is believed to be in Western Pakistan, never Iraq. And getting him is something no one considers easy, although Clinton had him in his sights when UBL was in Afghanistan and not in hiding, but decided against an air strike. However, under Bush we did get most of his second-in-command types and, as is generally known, the USA under Bush intercepted many plots that were about to bring attacks on us from Al-Qaeda. If the first duty of any president is to keep the people from foreign attack, he did that 100% of the time. Meanwhile, other countries, such as Britain and Spain, suffered them, so it's not as though the enemy just wasn't interested after 9/11.

 

[CruciFixed]

Well I just won't put Bush in my blog at all. Its not a humor blog or a political blog. Its not gossip blog. Its just a whatever I think about sometimes blog and I wanted to write something about Bush because I like him not for the presidency so much but because IDK I just do

I didn't mean to turn it into a debate and I never thought getting Osama was easy so I wanted to tell the co-worker that but eh.