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So I get the impression that you do not understand that Jesus was quoting a Psalm and not expressing an emotion of distress. "My God, My God, Why Hast Thou Forsaken Me?”It is quite easy to understand in Gods understanding my friend. God bless.
Jesus(Gods Word) became sin, so God forsakes sin. God becomes all.
God does not require more, because God isn’t more. God is all!
Yeah I studied that issue once but it’s been a long time. I think it’s because the KJV used a different text in translation. I’ve heard that the other texts are corrupted.
edit: Textus Receptus - Wikipedia
Please don't use this passage. It wasn't in the original text. Nor was it the basis for the discussions when the doctrine was created.
Hello Everyone, it's been a while since I've logged on, but I'm so glad to be back!
Recently I've began to study the Trinity. Just to give some background: I grew up in a movement that did not embrace the doctrine of the Trinity. So recently, I began to explore this doctrine, as what I was taught didn't make a ton of sense to me haha. And I must say, I'm so glad that I decided to look into it for myself.
I've purchased a couple of books on the subject and began reading them. I also started watching some videos and looking at other online resources. It's such an amazing thing to look at, but also difficult to wrap one's head around at the same time.
I completely understand the fact that it's difficult for our finite minds to grasp our infinite God. With that being said, I wanted to reach out and see if any of you have any resources or analogies on this subject that help you?
Thank-you all in advance for your help. This is not meant to stir up any types of arguments, I'm not interested in that at all. Blessings!
One of the first things to understand is that basically all analogies are going to be problematic. It's why trying to say "The Trinity is like..." usually ends up just causing more confusion than bringing clarity.
God as Trinity isn't like anything with which we have in our experience. There's simply nothing like God.
So when we say that there are three Divine Persons, each fully and equally God--the one and same God--it describes something which, on some level, we simply can't relate to on the basis of our own experiences outside of God's own self-revelation of Himself.
Two things are being asserted as fundamentally true:
1. There is only one God.
2. There are three Persons or Hypostases.
That word hypostasis (plural hypostases) is a complicated one. It's a Greek word that can be translated as "subsistence". But what it is really trying to capture is the idea of meaningful existence, something discrete and real. In regard to the Trinity it means that the Father is really the Father, that's Who He is; distinct from the Son and the Holy Spirit. "Father" isn't just a face, or a mask God wears, instead there really is this One who is Father, and He is Father because He is the Father of the Son. It is therefore relational, He is the Father of the Son, that is very real, eternally real. In the same way that the Son, distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit, really exists as the Son of the Father, the only-begotten of the Father, begotten of the Father from all eternity.
So that there is one God, the Father. And the Father eternally begets the Son, and the Son as the eternally-begotten of the Father is God, just as the Father is God. So that the Father and the Son are the same God.
The Son is God because the Father is God. Thus we speak of the Son's eternal generation from the Father, as God of God, and therefore He is homoousios (of-Same-Being) with the Father. The Father's Being, His Essence, His Eternal IS-ness as the one and only God is also the Being, Essence, and Eternal IS-ness of the Son. Thus the Son is God, the one and only God, even as the Father is God, the one and only God.
Likewise, the Holy Spirit eternally proceeds from the Father [and the Son], and is therefore God, in just the same way the Father and the Son are God. The one and only God.
So that there is the Father, unbegotten and unproceeding.
The Son, only-begotten of the Father.
The Holy Spirit, proceeding from the Father [and the Son].
So that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, three Divine Persons and Hypostases, of one undivided Being and Essence. One God, Three Persons.
Helpful resources:
The Nicene Creed
The Nicene Creed
The Athanasian Creed aka The Quicumque Vult
Quicumque
Perhaps somewhat more obscure, but a local synod held in Toledo in the 7th century produced a rather fantastic statement of Trinitarian faith:
COUNCIL OF TOLEDO XI 675 – Creed of Faith
-CryptoLutheran
Please don't use this passage. It wasn't in the original text. Nor was it the basis for the discussions when the doctrine was created.
I've never been one that found the doctrine of the Trinity to be odd or difficult to grasp.
Perhaps it's due to my Greek ancestral roots where philosophy and metaphysical concepts were refined and debated in the public squares for centuries.
When I listen to Muslims who are perplexed at this idea I realize that high brow philosophical ideas were void in the middle east thus they can't grasp it. Same with anti-trinitarians, I don't mean to sound condescending but they are pretty much simpletons. You can't discuss geometry with someone who has yet to figure out simple addition and subtraction.
Middle Eastern Christians grasp the Trinity pretty well, including your Antiochian Orthodox brethren, so
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