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Thanks for the post Maharg, I think God wants us to see both views at all times in the bible. There's always so much there that's it's great to have alot filled in. In one way it's from the view of the person experiencing it and then the view that God has is also present.

We think we live such private lives but so did the people talked about in the bible. Maybe in eternity there will be libraries holding the books of lives of each of us from our standpoint and from God's. Gulp, that's a scary thought.

1. Isaac seems to be someone who is attracted to the nature around him. He went into a field to meditate and he appreciated the food that comes from hunting - eating game, rather than lamb, for example. He also seems to be sensitive - being comforted about his mother's death by getting married. Perhaps he was fickle in a sense that he loved one of his sons because he brought him food.

Also
Isaac was thru whom the promise came (as is Jesus Christ)
Genesis 22:17-18
17 I will surely bless you and make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and as the sand on the seashore. Your descendants will take possession of the cities of their enemies, 18 and through your offspring [a] all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."

Gal. 3:16The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. The Scripture does not say "and to seeds," meaning many people, but "and to your seed," meaning one person, who is Christ
14He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

Romans 9:7-8
7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.

He was a type of Christ that he obeyed his father unto death and was in a sence ressurected (as Christ also did)
Genesis 22:9-10
9 When they reached the place God had told him about, Abraham built an altar there and arranged the wood on it. He bound his son Isaac and laid him on the altar, on top of the wood. 10 Then he reached out his hand and took the knife to slay his son.
Hebrews 11:19
19Abraham reasoned that God could raise the dead, and figuratively speaking, he did receive Isaac back from death.

He took a gentile as a wife (Christ is taking His church as His bride)
Gen 24:66 Then the servant told Isaac all he had done. 67 Isaac brought her into the tent of his mother Sarah, and he married Rebekah. So she became his wife, and he loved her; and Isaac was comforted after his mother's death.

2. Jacob seems to be much quieter and reflective. However, he also is deceptive, and perhaps motivated by greed - wanting the birthright which was not rightfully his. Esau is more of an active sort of person, and motivated by his physical needs - he was prepared to sell his borthright simply for a meal. Esau is iedntified as godless - and not able to receive the blessing to which he should have been entitled because of his actions.
I find this puzzling in a sense, that Jacob should obtain God's blessing through deception and yet Esau should lose it through not having proper respect for the blessing to which he was due. I feel sad for Esau.
It does teach us that if we are not able to hold off on perhaps earthly desires in order to pursue God that we will lose the blessings that He has in store for us. If we are not seeking after God with all our hearts, we are really rejecting the blessings He has for us, because we are not aware of how He will bless us and are not moving towards that blessing.

And then add to that, this
Rebecca
Again we see the natural world order is that this woman was to have no offspring and God reversing that.

Gen 25: 21 Isaac prayed to the LORD on behalf of his wife, because she was barren. The LORD answered his prayer, and his wife Rebekah became pregnant. 22 The babies jostled each other within her, and she said, "Why is this happening to me?" So she went to inquire of the LORD.
23 The LORD said to her,
"Two nations are in your womb,
and two peoples from within you will be separated;
one people will be stronger than the other,
and the older will serve the younger."
24 When the time came for her to give birth, there were twin boys in her womb. 25 The first to come out was red, and his whole body was like a hairy garment; so they named him Esau. [f] 26 After this, his brother came out, with his hand grasping Esau's heel; so he was named Jacob. [g] Isaac was sixty years old when Rebekah gave birth to them.


and
Romans 9:1-13

God's Sovereign Choice
1I speak the truth in Christ—I am not lying, my conscience confirms it in the Holy Spirit— 2I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. 3For I could wish that I myself were cursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, those of my own race, 4the people of Israel. Theirs is the adoption as sons; theirs the divine glory, the covenants, the receiving of the law, the temple worship and the promises. 5Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised!
Amen.
6It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring. 9For this was how the promise was stated: "At the appointed time I will return, and Sarah will have a son."
10Not only that, but Rebekah's children had one and the same father, our father Isaac. 11Yet, before the twins were born or had done anything good or bad—in order that God's purpose in election might stand: 12not by works but by him who calls—she was told, "The older will serve the younger." 13Just as it is written: "Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."

also
Genesis 25:25 Esau may mean hairy ; he was also called Edom, which means red.
Deuteronomy 23
Exclusion From the Assembly
1 No one who has been emasculated by crushing or cutting may enter the assembly of the LORD.
2 No one born of a forbidden marriage [a] nor any of his descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, even down to the tenth generation.
3 No Ammonite or Moabite or any of his descendants may enter the assembly of the LORD, even down to the tenth generation. 4 For they did not come to meet you with bread and water on your way when you came out of Egypt, and they hired Balaam son of Beor from Pethor in Aram Naharaim to pronounce a curse on you. 5 However, the LORD your God would not listen to Balaam but turned the curse into a blessing for you, because the LORD your God loves you. 6 Do not seek a treaty of friendship with them as long as you live.
7 Do not abhor an Edomite, for he is your brother. Do not abhor an Egyptian, because you lived as an alien in his country. 8 The third generation of children born to them may enter the assembly of the LORD.

But, Christ was not allowed to enter the temple by law either due to the circumstances of His birth.... alot more questions than answers. :)
 
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Last study for now from Genesis, next week it's Luke again>>>>

:prayer: Study 19 Genesis 26
Isaac and Abimelech

1) Why did Isaac fail so badly after recieving striking promises from God? What was different about his reaction when the promises were rerepeated?

2) What can we learn from the quarrels over the wells concerning the way to behave in the face of opposition and hostility? Cf. 1 Pet. 2:23.



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Isaac- Stage 2 of Christian Maturity
Isaac wanted to bless Esua, but he mixed God's blessing with his natural taste. And he also blessed Jacob, but he blessed blindly both phisically and spiritually, b/c he of being blinded by the natural. This shows his lack of maturity in life.

However he did bless his sons by faith and God honored his blessing and it became a prophesy.

Hebrews 11:20
20By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau in regard to their future.

Esua despising the birthright, Rebecca and Isac's preferences worked together for Jacob's good, that God might sovereignly fulfill the purpose of His selection.
Romans 8:28-30

More Than Conquerors
28And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose. 29For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. 30And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.



Isaac and Abimelech
1) Why did Isaac fail so badly after recieviving striking promises from God? What was different about his reaction when the promises were repeated?

Altho he stayed put when God told him to Isaac has seemed to pick up the same habits from his dad of half-truth.

2) What can we learn from the quarrels over the wells concerning the way to behave in the face of opposition and hostility? Cf. 1 Pet. 2:23.

The wells were dug until finally room was made.He trusted that God would settle it for him. 1 Pet. 2:23.

This is a great time for me to break till the new year. Feel free to discuss whatever you want till then. :hug: I'm sorry I've been so harsh with the "rules" and all :blush: but we are getting thru this.

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Luke Part 2
The first section that we covered described Jesus' coming while the last sections describe His going.
Luke 9:51
As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem.
Jesus has had:
30 years of depending on human will
~in contrast to~
3 years of authoritive speach and deeds of power.
30 years of commomplace duty of daily call
~in comparison to~
3 years of Lord of Duty, the dignity of the Son of Man, and the glory of the Son of God.
30 years of human limitations of submission and fellowship dependance
~compared to~
3 years of a life broadening out into spacious and conspicuous co-operation with the Divine so that the movement of God is seen thru His Words and deeds.
G. Campbell Morgan, The Crises of the Christ

Francis Hogan, in her book "Words of Luke" describes Christ's exodus as the path of every believer/disciple and divides the major stages of life's journey:
1) The Christian way to God Luke 9:51-13:21
2) Journay of salvation Luke 13:22-19:48
3) Why some struggle with Jesus Luke 20:1-21:38
4) Jesus journays on Luke 21:1-24:53

Frances points out Luke's balance of any story or parable that has a man at the centre is balanced with one dealing with a woman. For instance, the man with a hundred sheep in chap. 15 is followed with a woman with 10 drachmas. Jesus raises the widow's son at Naim and later He goes on to raise the daughter of Jarius, etc.
The women are represented as the faithful disciples, those who do not deny Jesus. They remain with Him right up to Calvery and become important witnesses to the fact that Christ died, was buried and rose again. It was to them the message of ressurection was given.

Luke has given several verses in the first part to prepare us to accept Jesus as our example and recognize our need, as disciples, to accept the inward journey that He has left as our heritage.
Luke 2:41-51
The Boy Jesus at the Temple
41Every year his parents went to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Passover. 42When he was twelve years old, they went up to the Feast, according to the custom. 43After the Feast was over, while his parents were returning home, the boy Jesus stayed behind in Jerusalem, but they were unaware of it. 44Thinking he was in their company, they traveled on for a day. Then they began looking for him among their relatives and friends. 45When they did not find him, they went back to Jerusalem to look for him. 46After three days they found him in the temple courts, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47Everyone who heard him was amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48When his parents saw him, they were astonished. His mother said to him, "Son, why have you treated us like this? Your father and I have been anxiously searching for you."
49"Why were you searching for me?" he asked. "Didn't you know I had to be in my Father's house?" 50But they did not understand what he was saying to them.
51Then he went down to Nazareth with them and was obedient to them. But his mother treasured all these things in her heart.
As a boy in the temple.
Luke 4:30
But he walked right through the crowd and went on his way.
Luke 4:42-43
At daybreak Jesus went out to a solitary place. The people were looking for him and when they came to where he was, they tried to keep him from leaving them. 43But he said, "I must preach the good news of the kingdom of God to the other towns also, because that is why I was sent."
Beginning His public life.
Luke 9:31
appeared in glorious splendor, talking with Jesus. They spoke about his departure, which he was about to bring to fulfillment at Jerusalem.
In transfiguration.
Luke 9:22
And he said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life."
Luke 9:44
While everyone was marveling at all that Jesus did, he said to his disciples, 44"Listen carefully to what I am about to tell you: The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men."
Preditions of passion.
Luke 2:50
But they did not understand what he was saying to them.
Luke 9:45
But they did not understand what this meant. It was hidden from them, so that they did not grasp it, and they were afraid to ask him about it.
His meaning hidden with the disciples.

Within the hidden meanings of the Jesus' exodus are the nucleous of the journey of all His faithful disciples as the explanations are unfolded to them. We are called to an appropriate responce to the gospel with an awareness to our own sinfulness.
Luke portrays Jesus as a man of prayer thru-out his gospel, putting Him before the early Christians as their model. He shows that prayer was the power behind the mighty works, the source of His inner strength, and shows Him also as a man filled with the Spirit, obedient to His Father in all things.
Like Jesus, Christians must be servants of God, fully at the service of the neighbour in need. And Luke warns of the dangers of riches and of false religion. Francis Hogan
 
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Study 26 Luke 9:57-10:12
The Cost of Following Jesus
Jesus Sends Out the Seventytwo

1) 9:57-62 How would you describe the three different types referred to here? Why was Jesus not satisfied with their responce His summons to follow Him? Contrast Jesus' own attitude. (verse 51)

2) 10:1-12 How do these verses show the urgency both in Jesus' own concern for evangelism, and the work He gives to Hid disciples? What is the reason for this urgency? In what activities ought it make us engage?

Note:
9:59,60. The man wants to delay until after his father's death, which might be imminent. In Jesus' reply "the dead" are those who have no spiritual life.

PS Happy 2007!!
 
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This whole section (Part 2) that we're studying of (appx.) Luke 10-20 could be called "Memories of the Jerusalem Road"
Luke 9:51 Now when the time was well nigh come that He should be recieved up, He steadfastly set His face to go to Jerusalem.

Qoute from ~A People's Life of Christ~J. Patterson Smith~circa 1920~

As we study this section, we find that it's not, as we might have expected, the record of a straight journey to Jerusalem to His death. That might have occupied only a few days, whereas the record of the road is six months long.In Jerusalem at the Festivals, He could get the ear of the whole Jewish nation from all lands.

For 6 months, repeatedly repulsed from Jerusalem, He is telling His gospel in the country outside. Three times He ventured in, always at Festival times. Twice He was driven out by the violence of His enemies. The third time He came in to die.

But right now He still has much to do before He dies, much still to tell of the heart of the Father. If He cannot tell it to Jerusalem He must tell it where He can, in the wilderness, in the little frontier villages and trust to the memoeries of the disciples to carry on.
This is His journey.
 
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# 1
Luke 6:40
40A student is not above his teacher, but everyone who is fully trained will be like his teacher.

Isaiah 58:8-10
8 Then your light will break forth like the dawn,
and your healing will quickly appear;
then your righteousness [a] will go before you,
and the glory of the LORD will be your rear guard.
9 Then you will call, and the LORD will answer;
you will cry for help, and he will say: Here am I.
"If you do away with the yoke of oppression,
with the pointing finger and malicious talk,
10 and if you spend yourselves in behalf of the hungry
and satisfy the needs of the oppressed,
then your light will rise in the darkness,
and your night will become like the noonday.

The 3 types referred to and why Jesus was unsatisfied with them.

a)A scribe offers to follow Jesus, one of the popular ruling class. But the foxes and birds have more earthly comforts than Jesus. Altho the crowds folled Jesus, a disciples life brings insecurity and ostracism. As a skilled craftsman, Jesus prefers to be identified with the poorest of poor.
Jesus' answer suggests that the scribe hadn't considered the cost of being a disciple.

b)The second Jesus said "follow me" and the man said he would at a more convenient time.
Jesus' answer "go and announce the kingdom" implys that his time would be better spent bringing people to spiritual life than burying the phisically dead.

c)Unfit for the Kingdom: plowing takes concentration to keep the rows straight.
Jesus' answer implys that confusion awaits a disciple's life who is not fulling ingroosed with His work.

Jesus in comparison:
Luke 9:51
51As the time approached for him to be taken up to heaven, Jesus resolutely set out for Jerusalem.

Isaiah 50:7
Because the Sovereign LORD helps me,
I will not be disgraced.
Therefore have I set my face like flint,
and I know I will not be put to shame.

In all instances Jesus is saying 2 things. Following Him would be socially expensive (His disciples left all) and secondly, He expects prospective disciples to sit down and consider the cost before they decide, otherwise they'll end up in ridicule, disaster and confusion.

quote from ~The Wisdom of Christ~Aly Wassil~1965~

The geniune follower of Christ demands a completely revolutionary appraisal of the old ways of an indulgent society, a remaking of the individual personality, and the renouncing of the self. The individual has to learn to give himself anew to the gospel of Christ. He must be prepared to fix the consciousness on the larger life of infinite spirit, that will lead him to the fulfillment of perfect destiny.

Wow, sounds lofty, but not unobtainable!

#2 The sending of the seventy to everywhere Jesus was to go was a huge invasive action on the area and probably added to the poisen in the arrow of the religious rulers.
Among the wolves there were "sons of peace", sheep that the Lord was concerned about and the harvest that He desired to reap. This was probably the first door to door evangelism ever. Jesus sets the sentence on those who reject Him and those He sends when He speaks of the cities that fell w/o hearing His message. Not taking anything forced the workers to a servant position but it also forced the recipients to make discisions as to their welcome.

Ok, that's my homework for the weekend. I hope y'all are still with me and posting. You know I need you to keep me on my toes! :D ;)


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I have started reading here again...we are traveling today...should be home Sunday, but I am glad for this study.

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Thank you angelwind, you were one of my first posters so that really means alot to me. It actually amazes me at the number of views on this thread. God bless each and everyone of you in your walk with Him. :prayer:
 
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For those of you who are just beginning to read these posts I welcome you here. My background is mostly with old theology coming from books of the icons of the last century. I have posted on this forum with this username as well as Citizen of the Kingdom, livinforChrist and Mishi, laurilee, Ruthere on other forums.
I don't claim to know all the answers other than Jesus is the only answer. I worship and adore Him as Savior and friend.
God bless you as we walk together with Him.
 
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For those of you who are just beginning to read these posts I welcome you here. My background is mostly with old theology coming from books of the icons of the last century. I have posted on this forum with this username as well as Citizen of the Kingdom, livinforChrist and Mishi, laurilee, Ruthere on other forums.
I don't claim to know all the answers other than Jesus is the only answer. I worship and adore Him as Savior and friend.
God bless you as we walk together with Him.
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:prayer: Study 27 Luke 10:13-24

1) What do these verses show of the greatness of our privileges in Christ? In how many of them are you sharing?

2) Verses 21-22. What caused this outburst of joy? What does this prayer teach us of (a) the Father's method of working, (b) Jesus' unique relationship to His Father?

Notes.
1) Verses 13-15. Chorizin, Bathsaida, Capernaum: towns of Galilee.
2) Verses 18-19. The language is symbolic of triumph over Satan and all evil.
 
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The jourey in this section is so impotant to all who want to follow Christ. His own Words tell us that He does the choosing. And He has very specific qualifications that He's looking for. Many are turned away. The last study was a good example of this.
Becaus Jesus is stressing this so strongly at the beginning of the jouney, with those who refused to turn away, I'm mostly just doing quotes for this first portion. I pray that the hand is on the plow with no looking back.

From Dakes bible commentary
Power over demons shouldn't be the source of joy, but being a child of God, evidenced by one's name written in heaven

Hebrews 12:23
to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect,

Pride is the natural tendency in the exercise of power, whether inherent or conferred, and often leads to shipwreck of the gifted. Christ solemnly warns against this weakness.

Luke 10:20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."

Rather:

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

Rejoice in the true source of which is in the Holy Spirit, and will never result in spiritual pride that causes shipwreck


From the Recovery bible commentary

Luke 10:18-19
He replied, "I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.

At the time of the rebellion against God, before the creation of mankind, Satan was judged and sentenced to be cast into Shoel (Hades) to the recesses of the pit (Isa 14:15) Ez. 28:17) Then God began to execute the sentence that was imposed to him. He has executed and will execute this sentence on different occasions and to different degrees, such as thru the 70 disciples in this chapter, thru Christ on the cross (Heb 2:14; John 12:31) thru the man-child and Micheal before the tribulation, when Satan will be cast down to earth (Rev 12:5, 7-10, 13) and thru the angels before the millenium, when Satan will be cast into the abyss, the bottomless pit (Rev 20:1-3) Finally, Satan will be cast into the lake of fire to suffer the punishment of eternal fire after the millenium (Rev 20:10) for eternity.

What the Lord gave to the disciples was authority; what the enemy had was power. Authority subdues power.
Serpents may signify Satan and his angels (Eph 2:2; 6:11-12) scorpions may signify the demons (vv 17, 20) By the authority of the Lord the disciples subdued their power.


Luke 10:21-24
21At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
22"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows who the Son is except the Father, and no one knows who the Father is except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him."
23Then he turned to his disciples and said privately, "Blessed are the eyes that see what you see. 24For I tell you that many prophets and kings wanted to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it."

This is what Jesus would have them rejoice in; the priveledge that was only for the initiated.

quote by Thomas Trahern

Your enjoyment of the world is never right till every morning you awake as in heaven; see yourself in your Father's palace; and look upon the skies, the earth, and the air as celestial joys; having such a reverent esteem for all, as if you were among the angels. The bride of a monarch, in her husband's chamber, hath no causes of delight as you
 
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:prayer: Study 28 Luke 10:25-42
The Parable of the Good Samaritan
At the Home of Martha and Mary


1) Consider the summary of the law in verse 27. Is it an adaquate summery? How does Jesus' story guide against misinterpretation of it? Who is your neighbour? And how can you prove yourself to be a neighbour?

2) Verses 38-42. Mary and Martha were concerned about different things. Which did Jesus consider the more important, and how did He solve the tension between them?

Note:
Verse 42. The "one thing" may well be a pun, implying that there is no need for an elaborate meal, and Mary, by choosing to listen to Jesus, has chosen the best dish!

 
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These words jumped out at me this morning while reading today's verses:

And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and temptd Him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

And He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou? Lk 10:25-26


The Lord has been sooo leading me into the study of His word and I feel very frustrated and opposed for some reason...yet I keep working at the study of His word.

Here, Jesus directs this lawyer to the law...the only written word of God at that time...the very first thing...was what have you read "in the law"..."in the word"?

The Lord is expecting us to be reading his word and getting answers to our questions there.

I had this verse today as part of background verses:

I have chosen the way of truth: thy judgements have I laid before me. Ps 119:30

To me this ties in with the choice that Mary made...to sit at Jesus feet and listen to His words...

I feel like the Lord is bringing me to deeper accountability with my life choices...do I want to choose the way of truth or not?

I do think the Lord was kind to Martha, He acknowledged that she was worried and distracted...He saw her view of things...but her sister was the living example of how to choose the most necessary and best thing.


 
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Hi :) I hope to join you. In my own personal gospel reading today (before I found this thread) it included Luke 10:27-29.

What really convicted me about this, was what the lawyer's response in verse 29 "But wishing to justify himself, he said to Jesus, 'And who is my neighbor?'"

How often do we, do I, try to justify myself and my sin to Jesus? Constantly, it seems, rather than to humbly come before Him, ask forgiveness and be restored to that sweet fellowship with Him. What silliness, lol...my own pride gets in the way of thing I want most ~ peace with God, friendship with our Lord Jesus, walking in the Spirit!
 
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Good morning! :wave:

Got the rest of the passage read. I love the story of Mary and Martha in Luke 10:38-42! I really relate to Mary as I *love* to sit at the feet of Jesus!! And I relish Jesus' words "but only one thing is necessary, for Mary has chosen the good part, which shall not be taken away from her." (vs 42) BUT this morning "But Martha was distracted..." jumped out at me. I'm often more like Martha, than I want to admit! :eek: That's what happens to me ~ I get "distracted"!! Maybe not so much with housework, lol, but with other things and wrong priorities...taking my eyes off of Jesus!

In considering this question: Which did Jesus consider the more important, and how did He solve the tension between them? It seems that Jesus took time to lovingly speak with Martha and get her back on track...being truthful about her sin, and then reminding her of what really is important. I just love how Jesus is so personal to each us!!! :D
 
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