Struggling

[mallowpuff]

I dunno know but I've been reading stuff at the site gatesofvienna.blogspot.com

Sum people tell me we have got to do things first in the natural, and then the spiritual will take care of it. Can someone help me with that?

You see I struggle with why Christians allow themselves to be taken over, like the Byzantiums. Were the Crusades really wrong?

Whether I shuld read this stuff or not causes me to struggle about Jesus turning the cheek and then we he says in Mat 11 v12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

What is he referring to, or what?

Is he talking about Muslims taking the kingdom of God by violence, or te Crusades, or what?

And what about Luke 16 vs 16,

The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.


Are we meant to be fighting literally? if our war is a spiritual war, then why does scripture say, first in the natural and then in the spiritual. It's as if we're meant to fight, just like the Crusades did?

I tell ya i struggle with this stuff. Does a Christian allow violence on someone else, because they are pacefists, or should a Christian step in if they see an act of violence done to sumone else?

Gates of VIenna are calling for a worldwide thing against Islamicsts in Brussels this year in September. Sheez how many ozzies will attend this, what is right, to allow a country to fall to islam through letting them do their stuff, or by fighting for their removal - that doesn't sound Christian to me, but in the long run it probably is what we are meant to do. I have learnt over the months not to rush in ahead and wonder what my bros think about this.

 

[Futuwwa]

I only remember seeing that website briefly, but the very name of the site should give some warnings to take it with a pinch of salt.

 

[sunrise0]

I dunno know but I've been reading stuff at the site gatesofvienna.blogspot.com

Sum people tell me we have got to do things first in the natural, and then the spiritual will take care of it. Can someone help me with that?

You see I struggle with why Christians allow themselves to be taken over, like the Byzantiums. Were the Crusades really wrong?

Whether I shuld read this stuff or not causes me to struggle about Jesus turning the cheek and then we he says in Mat 11 v12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

What is he referring to, or what?

Is he talking about Muslims taking the kingdom of God by violence, or te Crusades, or what?

And what about Luke 16 vs 16,

The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.


Are we meant to be fighting literally? if our war is a spiritual war, then why does scripture say, first in the natural and then in the spiritual. It's as if we're meant to fight, just like the Crusades did?

I tell ya i struggle with this stuff. Does a Christian allow violence on someone else, because they are pacefists, or should a Christian step in if they see an act of violence done to sumone else?

Gates of VIenna are calling for a worldwide thing against Islamicsts in Brussels this year in September. Sheez how many ozzies will attend this, what is right, to allow a country to fall to islam through letting them do their stuff, or by fighting for their removal - that doesn't sound Christian to me, but in the long run it probably is what we are meant to do. I have learnt over the months not to rush in ahead and wonder what my bros think about this.

to learn the answer ; all you need to do is know where the trouble spots in the world are and the reasons behind that touble

 

[morningstar2651]

I dunno know but I've been reading stuff at the site gatesofvienna.blogspot.com

Sum people tell me we have got to do things first in the natural, and then the spiritual will take care of it. Can someone help me with that?

You see I struggle with why Christians allow themselves to be taken over, like the Byzantiums. Were the Crusades really wrong?

Whether I shuld read this stuff or not causes me to struggle about Jesus turning the cheek and then we he says in Mat 11 v12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffers violence, and the violent take it by force.

What is he referring to, or what?

Is he talking about Muslims taking the kingdom of God by violence, or te Crusades, or what?

And what about Luke 16 vs 16,

The law and the prophets were until John. Since that time the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is pressing into it.


Are we meant to be fighting literally? if our war is a spiritual war, then why does scripture say, first in the natural and then in the spiritual. It's as if we're meant to fight, just like the Crusades did?

I tell ya i struggle with this stuff. Does a Christian allow violence on someone else, because they are pacefists, or should a Christian step in if they see an act of violence done to sumone else?

Gates of VIenna are calling for a worldwide thing against Islamicsts in Brussels this year in September. Sheez how many ozzies will attend this, what is right, to allow a country to fall to islam through letting them do their stuff, or by fighting for their removal - that doesn't sound Christian to me, but in the long run it probably is what we are meant to do. I have learnt over the months not to rush in ahead and wonder what my bros think about this.

While you may not find my advice in the Bible, you may find that it agrees with the Bible.

Never attack. An attack is proof that you are out of control. To injure an opponent is to injure yourself. Control aggression without inflicting injury. To do so, you should be prepared to receive ninety-nine percent of an enemy's attack and stare death right in the face. Never chase after opponents and do not try to suppress or control an opponent unnaturally.

Stop trouble before it starts -- defeat your opponent by making them realize the folly of their actions.

 

[Mailman Dan]

to learn the answer ; all you need to do is know where the trouble spots in the world are and the reasons behind that touble

Exactly... Every single day we hear news stories of Baptist straping bombs on themselves and blowing up Catholics and Methodist because they are the wrong brand of Christianity. Take a look at Israel. The reason its so violent there, its surrounded by Christian countries...


To give you a reasonable answer to your question....

http://www.livingwaters.com/witnessingtool/religionhascausedmorewars.shtml

"Religion has caused more wars than anything else in history."
It is true that man has used religion for political gain. Nazi Germany had "God with us" engraved in German on the belts of Nazi soldiers. America said, "Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition." The law may even allow you to start the Christian Nazi Party, if you so desire. You can become a "reverend" for a few dollars through the tabloid classifieds and then further your political agenda with the world’s blessing, no matter how much it smears the name of Christ.
Jesus tells us in John 16:2,3 that there will be some who, in their error, commit atrocities and murder in the name of God: "The time is coming that whosoever kills you will think that he does God service."


However, He informs us that these are not true believers: "And these things will they do to you, because they have not known the Father, nor me." (See also 1 John 3:15.)


Jesus told His followers to love their enemies. So if a man puts a knife into someone’s back in the name of Christianity, something obviously isn’t right. If we human beings can detect it, how much more will God? He will deal with it on Judgment Day.

"I know that the Lord is always on the side of right. But it is my constant anxiety and prayer that I—and this nation—should be on the Lord’s side."
-Abraham Lincoln
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Dan~~~>thinks you should focus on your own standing with God first
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[mallowpuff]

I guess what I'm asking, shld Christians be pacifists?
Or to defend a mightier cause shld we take up arms?

Say, Cho killing those peopel, wat if though a Christian had a gun, wouldn't it be better for that Christian to kill Cho, rather than him takem all those people out. That's the crux of wat I'm tryin to ask.

No one has relly attempted to answer me in that light.

 

[morningstar2651]

I guess what I'm asking, shld Christians be pacifists?
Or to defend a mightier cause shld we take up arms?

Say, Cho killing those peopel, wat if though a Christian had a gun, wouldn't it be better for that Christian to kill Cho, rather than him takem all those people out. That's the crux of wat I'm tryin to ask.

No one has relly attempted to answer me in that light.

All people who abuse their power are destined to lose their power whether you are the one to cause it or not.

Don't you think that killing him is a bit excessive? Your goal is to prevent harm, not revenge.

 

[.Sabre.]

Well, not extreme pacifists I'm sure. I don't think you'd have a problem if you used reasonable force to defend yourself or others.