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Struggling With The Sabbath

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I am having an intense struggle in my heart and mind over this issue of the Sabbath. This is a major influence on me and will weigh heavily upon my decision of which Church I will join. I would really appreciate any insight you can give.


May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
 

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I am having an intense struggle in my heart and mind over this issue of the Sabbath. This is a major influence on me and will weigh heavily upon my decision of which Church I will join. I would really appreciate any insight you can give.


May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.

What about the Sabbath are you struggling with?
 
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I am having an intense struggle in my heart and mind over this issue of the Sabbath. This is a major influence on me and will weigh heavily upon my decision of which Church I will join. I would really appreciate any insight you can give.


May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
Read the Scripture!!!!!!

We are delivered from the law including the 7th day Sabbath. Rom 7:6.

We have a New Covenant which includes no mandate to keep the 7th day Sabbath. This was promised in Jer 31:31-33. It is not a renewed or continuing covenant. The New Covenant is based on better promises and not law Heb 8:6. The New Covenant is the covenant in force for the Christian per Jesus as recorded in 3 Gospels.

I am very sorry to hear that you will choose a church over legalism. One can not earn their salvation. Keeping the 7th day Sabbath will not secure salvation. But if you are choosing a religion and not a relationship with Jesus the Christ pick the most social church you can find.
 
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Which day I should observe it?

I suggest you study the book of Hebrews. Heres my cut n' paste answer.

The "beginning" and "ending" of each of the six time periods of creation is not repeated for the seventh "day." The seventh period of God's "rest" has no "closing." God's "rest" continues even unto the present and is therefore an indefinitely long period of time. The Psalmist refers to God's "rest" (Psalm 95:11). The writer of Hebrews explains that all Christians are to participate in God's "rest" (Heb. 4:1-11).

They (the Jews who wandered in the desert for forty years) did not enter in due to their unbelief. Just across the river Jordan was a land flowing with milk and honey that God had given to them, but they refused to believe God. Instead they wandered in the desert for an entire generation.

It is a picture of those who miss out on all God has already given us in Jesus, because they will not believe. A shadow of the reality we find in Christ Jesus. Not some promise for the future, but our present reality, if only we believe. In Christ we have been given everything.

The rest we enter into, as Christians, is Jesus Christ Himself, HE is our promised land, our true and eternal sabbath rest. That rest is realized only in the One who has Himself made us acceptable to God, Jesus Christ.

Jesus is the "better rest of God" for Christians, the Sabbath rest (Heb. 4:9) as well as the promised place of rest.

All the pictorial types of "rest" in the old covenant were designed to point to the "rest" that was only to be found in Jesus Christ. Christian rest is not connected to a particular day of the week, nor is it a geographical place in Palestine or Heaven. Christian "Sabbath-rest" (Heb. 4:1-11) in the new covenant "day of salvation" (2 Cor. 6:2) is the continuous opportunity to "rest" from all religious works (Heb. 4:10), by ceasing to try to perform religiously for God, and instead rest in His grace sufficiency through Jesus Christ.
 
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I am having an intense struggle in my heart and mind over this issue of the Sabbath. This is a major influence on me and will weigh heavily upon my decision of which Church I will join. I would really appreciate any insight you can give.


May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
If you're being honest here's a real approach to consider.

God is real, He can be real in your life if you believe and trust in His word.
An inductive study of God's word, considers the context. The bible is written for both people who lived before the cross and after the cross.
Being saved is the ice you need skate on.
The gospel teaches how to ice skate.

Jesus chose Paul to teach all the doctrines of the church. Rom 14 explains that worship is anytime a man gives to God.
 
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I am having an intense struggle in my heart and mind over this issue of the Sabbath. This is a major influence on me and will weigh heavily upon my decision of which Church I will join. I would really appreciate any insight you can give.


May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.

Have you considered -

"If you Love Me - KEEP My commandments" John 14:15.

"Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

"what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12.

"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23 - for all eternity in the NEW Heavens and NEW earth - long after the resurrection of Christ.

"The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Have you considered that EVEN the majority of pro-sunday scholarship agrees with Sabbath keepers - that the TEN Commandments are still the moral law of God - all TEN - and still binding on the people of God?

Read the first few pages of this thread - and you will see what I mean. click here #1
 
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I am having an intense struggle in my heart and mind over this issue of the Sabbath. This is a major influence on me and will weigh heavily upon my decision of which Church I will join. I would really appreciate any insight you can give.


May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.
Sounds like the struggle is with your understanding like most of us.
God's word is designed to cut away fiction for those who will trust Him and His word.

Those who claim that Sabbath was instituted at creation tend to say more or less than what Gen 2:1-3 or even what the law commands in Ex20 8-11.

God's requires Christians to keep the new covenant sealed by the blood of Jesus Christ. The gospel is all about righteousness by faith apart from the law.
Does that mean we should act unlawfully? No.

God said that Sabbath is a sign and covenant between Himself and the Children of Israel forever.
God also said the circumcision was a sign between Him and the Children of Israel forever. No one questions about when God gave that covenant because it's written in Genesis.

Here a key fact some try to ignore or confuse.

When Jesus was accused of breaking the Sabbath, He claimed that Moses commanded circumcision on Sabbath because it was passed down from the fathers. Common sense and searching the scripture proves that Christ is a sure witness that Sabbath was not passed down before Moses.

Why would people want to contradict God and Jesus Christ about this issue?
 
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I am having an intense struggle in my heart and mind over this issue of the Sabbath. This is a major influence on me and will weigh heavily upon my decision of which Church I will join. I would really appreciate any insight you can give.


May the Lord bless you and keep you. May the Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious to you. May the Lord lift up his countenance upon you, and give you peace.

Hello.

God only blessed the 7th day and commanded it to be kept as the Sabbath. In the Catholic Catechism New Converts, they admit they the changed the Sabbath. However, the Catholic Church has no authority to change the commands of God and tell Him that He blessed the wrong day. If you want to honor Sunday as they day that Jesus rose, then you're welcome to that, but that doesn't mean that you should do that instead of keeping the Sabbath. Many wonderful churches meet on Sundays, but that is not in accordance with what God has commanded.
 
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If you're being honest here's a real approach to consider.

God is real, He can be real in your life if you believe and trust in His word.
An inductive study of God's word, considers the context. The bible is written for both people who lived before the cross and after the cross.
Being saved is the ice you need skate on.
The gospel teaches how to ice skate.

Jesus chose Paul to teach all the doctrines of the church. Rom 14 explains that worship is anytime a man gives to God.

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Which day I should observe it?
Depends on what you want to rest. If you accept the invitation Jesus gave in Mat 11:28-30 every physical day is the Sabbath. If you want some religious legal matter to be settled of a covenant not applicable to the Christian by all means keep the Sabbath given to the Jews. Bet you have no clue what this really means. Personally I don't think you're being honest with us here.

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Have you considered -

"If you Love Me - KEEP My commandments" John 14:15.

"Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

"what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12.

"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23 - for all eternity in the NEW Heavens and NEW earth - long after the resurrection of Christ.

"The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Have you considered that EVEN the majority of pro-sunday scholarship agrees with Sabbath keepers - that the TEN Commandments are still the moral law of God - all TEN - and still binding on the people of God?

Read the first few pages of this thread - and you will see what I mean. click here #1
Yes some of us here have and come to opposite conclusions. The main reason is commandment(s) are/is not a code word for us. We have examined the NT Scripture and can't find a single reference or passage requiring the keeping of the law or the Sabbath. Neither have you, or you're keeping it a secret.

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Have you considered -

"If you Love Me - KEEP My commandments" John 14:15.

"Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

"what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12.

"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23 - for all eternity in the NEW Heavens and NEW earth - long after the resurrection of Christ.

"The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Have you considered that EVEN the majority of pro-sunday scholarship agrees with Sabbath keepers - that the TEN Commandments are still the moral law of God - all TEN - and still binding on the people of God?

Read the first few pages of this thread - and you will see what I mean. click here #1

Have you considered that trying to do any action or works (including keeping with Sabbath tradition - which is 100% impossible in western nations that operate 24/7) in hopes that it's a 'key' to salvation is pretty much like saying "Yeah...I know that Jesus covered it all with pain/torture/blood/death, but it's not enough, I still have to earn it". ?
 
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We are delivered from the law including the 7th day Sabbath. Rom 7:6.

Romans 7:1-4 Or do you not know, brothers[a]—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

Paul was speaking to those Jews and Gentiles who knew the law, not to tell them their knowledge of how to keep the law was of no value, but rather he was making an example from the law that they would understand. If Paul were making a metaphor where everything in it represented something else, then it would not make sense. Are we represented by the wife? No, we are dying to the law and it is the husband who is dying. Are we represented by the husband? No, it is the wife who is free to come under a new master.

Furthermore, the wife's husband died, she would not be freed from any of the other laws, but just that aspect of the law that would penalize her if she were to live with another man while her husband was still alive. If after her husband died and she married another man, she would be bound again to that same law. So the wife was not dying to the marriage law, but the penalty that it would require for breaking it. Paul was building to his conclusion in Romans 8:1 that there therefore is no condemnation for those who are in Messiah. This still exists God's commands for how to practice righteousness and it is always important for God's people to practice that.

God's requires Christians to keep the new covenant sealed by the blood of Jesus Christ. The gospel is all about righteousness by faith apart from the law.

Indeed, the Gospel is about righteousness by faith apart from the law, which Paul talked about in Romans 3:21-30, but he added verse 31 to make sure that no one misunderstood him and thought that the law played no part in the Gospel. Being declared righteous is just the beginning of the Christian walk, the Good News is also that we are set free from sin to become slaves of obedience, leading to righteousness and sanctification. Just like Moses was declared righteous by faith before he was given the law at Sinai, he needed to be given it so that those who God declared righteous would know how to practice righteousness in obedience to Him.

Does that mean we should act unlawfully? No.

Indeed, the law is how we know what sin is (Romans 7:7), so acting unlawfully is sin and Paul said in Romans 6:15 that being under grace didn't mean we were to sin. Christians are citizen of the commonwealth of Israel by faith in Messiah, so as God people who should follow the law that God gave to His people to obey.

God said that Sabbath is a sign and covenant between Himself and the Children of Israel forever.
God also said the circumcision was a sign between Him and the Children of Israel forever. No one questions about when God gave that covenant because it's written in Genesis.

And we are part of Israel by faith in Messiah, so we should keep those commands forever.

Why would people want to contradict God and Jesus Christ about this issue?

Indeed, why would God's people think it was unimportant to obey His instructions?
 
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Hello.

God only blessed the 7th day and commanded it to be kept as the Sabbath. In the Catholic Catechism New Converts, they admit they the changed the Sabbath. However, the Catholic Church has no authority to change the commands of God and tell Him that He blessed the wrong day. If you want to honor Sunday as they day that Jesus rose, then you're welcome to that, but that doesn't mean that you should do that instead of keeping the Sabbath. Many wonderful churches meet on Sundays, but that is not in accordance with what God has commanded.

Yes, I have been keeping a Saturday Sabbath for awhile but I still have some doubts and questions. I have also had a hard time with finding a good Sabbath keeping Church.
 
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Have you considered -

"If you Love Me - KEEP My commandments" John 14:15.

"Do we then make void the Law of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we establish the LAW of God" Rom 3:31

"what matters is KEEPING the commandments of God" 1Cor 7:19

The saints "KEEP the Commandments of God AND their faith in Jesus" Rev 14:12.

"from Sabbath to Sabbath shall ALL MANKIND come before Me to bow down" Is 66:23 - for all eternity in the NEW Heavens and NEW earth - long after the resurrection of Christ.

"The Sabbath was MADE for MANKIND" Mark 2:27

Have you considered that EVEN the majority of pro-sunday scholarship agrees with Sabbath keepers - that the TEN Commandments are still the moral law of God.

I think I am in agreement with you brother. I guess I still have some doubts and questions. I have been keeping a Saturday Sabbath for awhile. Jesus Christ said that whoever keeps and teaches the commandments will be called greatest in the kingdom but those who break the commandments and teach others to do so will be called the least.
 
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Have you considered that trying to do any action or works (including keeping with Sabbath tradition - which is 100% impossible in western nations that operate 24/7) in hopes that it's a 'key' to salvation is pretty much like saying "Yeah...I know that Jesus covered it all with pain/torture/blood/death, but it's not enough, I still have to earn it". ?

Actually its quite possible to keep the sabbath in America as I have been keeping it for 6 months. I begin resting at dusk Friday and end when 3 stars come out on Saturday night. I spend Friday preparing any food I may need so I don't buy anything on the Sabbath and I do not watch television and I try to do no work. Sometimes its a struggle not to be tempted to check emails and bank accounts. I am still working on that. But mainly on the Sabbath I try to focus only on God, resting, and family. The Sabbath has actually become my favorite day of the week and I consider it a delight. I have also found that it is a great day to make donations and read. I learn more on the Sabbath than any other day and the rest I receive I have found really revitalizes my body. But I do still have some doubts and questions I guess I'm still learning. God bless.
 
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Looks like you nailed it.

Actually you are proving you both have no clue as I am being completely honest. You are also proving that you are completely rude and are showing that you have some really bad fruit. And we all know that Jesus said we will know his true followers by their fruit so when you lack to show love to your brother all you are doing is exposing yourself and so I suggest that you examine your heart. May the Lord richly bless you as you continue to study his word.
 
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Romans 7:1-4 Or do you not know, brothers[a]—for I am speaking to those who know the law—that the law is binding on a person only as long as he lives? 2 For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage. 3 Accordingly, she will be called an adulteress if she lives with another man while her husband is alive. But if her husband dies, she is free from that law, and if she marries another man she is not an adulteress.

Paul was speaking to those Jews and Gentiles who knew the law, not to tell them their knowledge of how to keep the law was of no value, but rather he was making an example from the law that they would understand. If Paul were making a metaphor where everything in it represented something else, then it would not make sense. Are we represented by the wife? No, we are dying to the law and it is the husband who is dying. Are we represented by the husband? No, it is the wife who is free to come under a new master.

Furthermore, the wife's husband died, she would not be freed from any of the other laws, but just that aspect of the law that would penalize her if she were to live with another man while her husband was still alive. If after her husband died and she married another man, she would be bound again to that same law. So the wife was not dying to the marriage law, but the penalty that it would require for breaking it. Paul was building to his conclusion in Romans 8:1 that there therefore is no condemnation for those who are in Messiah. This still exists God's commands for how to practice righteousness and it is always important for God's people to practice that.



Indeed, the Gospel is about righteousness by faith apart from the law, which Paul talked about in Romans 3:21-30, but he added verse 31 to make sure that no one misunderstood him and thought that the law played no part in the Gospel. Being declared righteous is just the beginning of the Christian walk, the Good News is also that we are set free from sin to become slaves of obedience, leading to righteousness and sanctification. Just like Moses was declared righteous by faith before he was given the law at Sinai, he needed to be given it so that those who God declared righteous would know how to practice righteousness in obedience to Him.



Indeed, the law is how we know what sin is (Romans 7:7), so acting unlawfully is sin and Paul said in Romans 6:15 that being under grace didn't mean we were to sin. Christians are citizen of the commonwealth of Israel by faith in Messiah, so as God people who should follow the law that God gave to His people to obey.



And we are part of Israel by faith in Messiah, so we should keep those commands forever.



Indeed, why would God's people think it was unimportant to obey His instructions?
In Romans 6 we died were raised to new life in Jesus opposed to life in Adam (the old man). In Romans 7 Paul reverses the issues and the law died. The husband represents the law. Paul come to the conclusion that Now we are delivered from the law just as his analogy states. Paul also says it is foolish to return to the law in Gal 3. The law has absolutely nothing to do with salvation before or after the new birth and redemption.

We are not part if Israel in any shape or form. There is no Jew or Gentile in Christ Jesus. Gal 3:28 and Col 2. If you like my friend bugkiller can prove Israelism is a false teaching. The Christians is not part of the commonwealth of Israel. We share in its provision (Jesus the Messiah).

You argue falsely against the Scripture. In Rom 6 it plainly states not under the law in 14 and 15. The law has no jurisdiction.
 
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