Strippers...What are your thoughts??

[Ninja Turtles]

Hi Ninja....I agree with what you said regarding the reasons for the divorce rate. I do think that some of it is also the unwillingness of either party to work things out and go through the tough times. Everyone wants instant gratification nowadays and a lot of couples, when they move out of the lust, infatuation stage assume they aren't "in love" anymore and attempt to seek this feeling elsewhere.

I couldn't agree with you more, I think the instant gratification aspect of American society definitely plays a role in the divorce rate. It's about happiness and happiness now. No one wants to work for anything anymore and that just may be a product of the overt push for individualism and our consumer tendencies (one thing I'm happy I haven't adopted).

I think maybe we should make a new topic about divorce because I think that is an interesting discussion.

But yes, I will agree with you, the accessibility and anonmynity with pornography has certainly increased.

 

[ninabina]

"I personally see no harm in it, a lot of couples go in there with their partner and I haven't seen any problem with jealousy. Some women really appreciate the boldness and sensuality of their movements."


See, I know a few women who have gone with their mates. Personally, I think the women that go and feel no jealousy are really bi-sexuals. They get something out of it too. But anyways, I think it would be more "normal" to feel jealousy and in fact is an emotion born out of true love for your partner. Call me crazy (I'll just have to backhand you if you do)...


Ninja yes that would be a good topic to open up. You should do it. I'm not really a thread-starter-upper (just a wee but shy, yes).

 

[Eudaimonist]

Anyways, my question is how do you all feel about family members/bf/gf's seeing strippers?

If it was family members, I'd be perfectly fine with it.

If it was my gf who wanted to see male strippers, I'd insist on an absolutely strict "you may look but don't touch" policy and a limit to how much alcohol she'll have. I'd be fine with that.

As to my actual significant other -- she has told me that she doesn't want me to see strippers, and I have honored her wishes without exception.

 

[Eudaimonist]

I believe it is illegal to have a woman totally uncovered in a strip club. You are thinking of sex shows, the legal status of which I am uncertain.

There are completely legal full nude strip clubs in the U.S. and Canada. In some states, liquor licenses prohibit full nudity, making topless dancing the max one can legally see.

 

[Lokisdottir]

See, I know a few women who have gone with their mates. Personally, I think the women that go and feel no jealousy are really bi-sexuals.

Guilty as charged. But I assure you, that's not the reason why I don't feel jealousy, particularly since neither I nor my boyfriend have ever been to a strip club. This is all just hypothetical.

They get something out of it too. But anyways, I think it would be more "normal" to feel jealousy and in fact is an emotion born out of true love for your partner.

Not true, at least in my case. My lack of jealousy is borne of complete trust in my partner. If he looks at somebody else, I know that's all he's doing -- just looking.

 

[Antoninus Verus]

Personally, I think the women that go and feel no jealousy are really bi-sexuals

And your basis for that is.....

There are completely legal full nude strip clubs in the U.S. and Canada. In some states, liquor licenses prohibit full nudity, making topless dancing the max one can legally see.

I dunno....most of the girls that Tess worked with, all VERY experienced, had always been forbidden to remove all of ther clothing, they atleast had to keep thier crotch covererd. They were allowed to remove a top covering, and some clubs even told them they could only remove a bra or other top covering as long as they kept moving.

 

[Fear and Trembling]

How many advocates here would want their daughter to enter this profession?

 

[Antoninus Verus]

How many advocates here would want their daughter to enter this profession?

I would be fine with it. Id be concerned for her and ideally Id like her to choose annother profession, but ultimately I would back her up as long as she isnt using the job to support a drug habbit or alchahol

 

[Eudaimonist]

I dunno....most of the girls that Tess worked with, all VERY experienced, had always been forbidden to remove all of ther clothing, they atleast had to keep thier crotch covererd. They were allowed to remove a top covering, and some clubs even told them they could only remove a bra or other top covering as long as they kept moving.

I do know about this from personal experience (from when I was unattached). I've been to more than one full nude, and fully legal, strip club in the U.S. (and Canada). The restrictions depend on state laws, especially liquor license laws. The types of strip clubs you'll see will vary from state to state, and whether or not the club serves alcohol.

 

[Electric Skeptic]

I believe it is illegal to have a woman totally uncovered in a strip club. You are thinking of sex shows, the legal status of which I am uncertain.

That's not correct. I have seen strip shows (ie., stripping to completely naked) in Australia, Japan, Italy, and England. Closer to (your home), I've seen them in California and Las Vegas. In all places they were completely legal.

I was told (by a club owner) that in California, strippers can go to completely nude, no problem...but an establishment where girls do that can't get a liquor license. So a great many places, to get their liquor license (obviously a big money-maker) instruct the girls to leave their bottom half covered. It's a legal issue, but it's not against the law.

 

[Gaston]

Exploitation of women in a misogynist worldview.

I love to see all the people out there supporting strippers because it's "empowering" to women. Just awesome.


Gaston

 

[Seeking...]

I don't have a problem with strippers at all. I think it can be a smart choice for a strong woman/ or man with a focussed mind. The important thing to remember is that it is a career with a relatively short life span and the money made should be put to securing a future and not just partying in the present.

I have been to strip shows of both genders and honestly I find the male strip shows to be more exploitive and possibly demeaning. Male strippers are more likely to play with the audience, blur the lines to get better tips and women seem to expect more for their money. A man who grabs at a female stripper's genitals will be swiftly and painfully removed from the club. A woman who grabs at a male stripper's genitals will be flirted with to get more cash...

All that said - I have seen stripper shows in the past and I will see more in the future (friends' B-day trip to Vegas is coming up). I wouldn't have a problem with a male or female SO going to a show or having a lap dance. Heck, I'd go with them and buy them one (a lap dance is less intimate than what lots of folks do on the dance floor nowadays). I seem to be comepletely lacking a jealousy button... The only reason I might not date a stripper is because I would question if their desire for sex/physical intimacy might be diminished by being lusted after all day.

I also wouldn't have a problem with family or friends being a stripper or going to shows. If they are watching a show I'd advise them to bring a decent amount of cash, obey the house rules, don't get drunk/act a fool, and don't ask these people out - they are working! If they wanted to strip for a living, I'd advise them to choose the club very carefully, be sure of adequate security, and be a good steward of the money they make - 'cause they won't make it forever. This would include my daughter.

 

[HazyRigby]

I have been to strip shows of both genders and honestly I find the male strip shows to be more exploitive and possibly demeaning. Male strippers are more likely to play with the audience, blur the lines to get better tips and women seem to expect more for their money. A man who grabs at a female stripper's genitals will be swiftly and painfully removed from the club. A woman who grabs at a male stripper's genitals will be flirted with to get more cash...

Exactly....Well said! I have felt very sorry for the male strippers I have seen.

I have been to quite a few strip shows and strip clubs, both male and female, and most of the time, I was with my significant other. I don't feel any jealousy because, quite honestly, I know that I'm worth much more than a fling with a stripper. If the man I'm with didn't know that, then I wouldn't be with him.

I wouldn't have a problem with anyone I know wanting to see a strip show. Why would I? If you can't separate fantasy from reality, then you don't really belong in an adult relationship.

 

[dialogue]

Exploitation of women in a misogynist worldview.

I love to see all the people out there supporting strippers because it's "empowering" to women. Just awesome.


Gaston

Incidentally, there are strippers of both genders ...

How is it misogynist when we objectify both men and women?

 

[Electric Skeptic]

Exploitation of women in a misogynist worldview.

I love to see all the people out there supporting strippers because it's "empowering" to women. Just awesome.

I love to see all the people who insist that women are being 'exploited' in any profession remotely related to sex. I also love to see people who insist that men who find women attractive in these professions are misogynists. Just awesome.

 

[]RiSeN[]

Well, for myself, if my husband went to see one, I probably wouldnt like it a whole lot but it wouldnt put the relationship at risk for me. I feel confident enough about myself that I would definitely not feel threatened, and I don't consider strippers a threat to me in any way. But that is just me. I can see why some people wouldnt want their sig other going, but I just don't feel that vehement about it. As for why someone would want to see them..my best guess is its just entertainment and a "guy thing". Hormones? I don't know for sure.

Again, this is all JMO.

Blessings!

Wether you consider it a threat or not does not change fact, your husband would be lusting for another woman. If i punch someone in the face they can choose to ignore it, but it doesnt change the fact the have a broken nose and a ruined bloody shirt. He would be 'feeding' a desire with food from the wrong table. Furthermore:

"You heard it was said,'You must not commit adultery'. But i say to you that everyone that keeps looking at a woman so as to have a passion for her has already commited adultery with her in his heart."- Matthew 5:27-28

He goes there for the hotwings and nachos? Or is it the 'all you can eat' adultery?

 

[]RiSeN[]

I love to see all the people who insist that women are being 'exploited' in any profession remotely related to sex. I also love to see people who insist that men who find women attractive in these professions are misogynists. Just awesome.

They are being exploited. Wisdom tells us so. Your scientific minded view is the wrong formula for morals, bioethics, or sociology.

 

[sparklecat]

They are being exploited. Wisdom tells us so. Your scientific minded view is the wrong formula for morals, bioethics, or sociology.

And I suppose the 'believe what I say without evidence' is a better way to go about things?

 

[MichaelFJF]

They are being exploited. Wisdom tells us so.

Huh?

 

[]RiSeN[]

And I suppose the 'believe what I say without evidence' is a better way to go about things?

Your mixing up you scientific minded view in a moral socio-ethical instance, oil and water.