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Foon Nerfdahl said:Correct, Fat.
Acts was not written by Paul--it was written by Paul's disciple, Luke.
Anything said about Paul in Acts has to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
Foon Nerfdahl said:You don't appear interested in learning, Fat.......so I'll just leave you to sizzle.
As a Democrat, I think you have unfairly characterized us. Maybe you were just angry with Foon, but you don't have to display your arrogance and lack of understanding in such a way as to offend all of us. Or maybe you do? I don't know. I'm equally confused about whether you are interested in legitimate discussion. When Foon refused to attempt your questions, he looked like the irrational one. But then you responded in kind, so it's a bit fuzzier now.Fat said:Foon Nerfdahl,
Oh I see up there in the corner the little donkey, you're a Democrat, that explains it.The government must take the place of God, and to do that we rewrite history even the Bible. Oh holly government please be our "safety net" let all men turn to you for all things.
Works through taxes Now thats a biblical concept. Make the other guy help the poor.
OK I'll go sizzle some where.
Fat
Very good Foon! Paul brought a gospel of Paul to the Gentiles that was so strange to Jews that they would not recognise it as being Jewish. Paul continued to work on his original commision to protect Jews from the true teachings of Jesus.Foon Nerfdahl said:Let us look at Paul objectively.
Paul's "gospel" is one of defeat. Paul says he tries and tries, but he just keeps on sinning (apparently constantly). Poor sap is obsessed with sin and sees it behind every bush......for himself and others. He thinks he's chained to a body of death. He has a thorn in his side, he says.
Thorn in his brain, maybe.
Paul's "gospel" is sort of pathetic.
Jesus, on the other hand, is exceedingly positive. He rather calmly tells people not to sin.
Paul would have a cat if he heard that one.
See the difference here?
Zacchaeus says, "I have given half of what I own to the poor and made amends to those I have cheated."
Jesus responds: "This man is going to heaven."
Jesus told the woman caught in adultery, "Go now and leave your life of sin."
Paul would get a severe cramp in the side on hearing that one.
Jesus said, "If the son sets you free (from sin, in context) then you shall be free indeed."
John wrote,
Paul, however, says..........
Paul is in direct opposition to Jesus and John (and everybody) on sin......and to make it worse--Paul invented a theology of Radical Grace to cover his bizarre stance on sin.
What Paul's writings do is encourage people to think they have no choice but to sin.......but hey.....Paul says that's ok because we have the Radical Grace theology to cover us.
Unfortunately, what Paul wrote is simply wrong.
Paul's words are not confusing.
They are wrong.
Hi Freud,PastorFreud said:And Foon, everything you have written takes Paul's words on their English meaning at face value. If you read it that way, even Jesus contradicts himself as well as lots of contradictions in the rest of the Bible.
Fat,Fat said:Foon Nerfdahl,
Oh I see up there in the corner the little donkey, you're a Democrat, that explains it.The government must take the place of God, and to do that we rewrite history even the Bible. Oh holly government please be our "safety net" let all men turn to you for all things.
Works through taxes Now thats a biblical concept. Make the other guy help the poor.
OK I'll go sizzle some where.
Fat
Fat,Fat said:Foon Nerfdahl,
Oh I see up there in the corner the little donkey, you're a Democrat, that explains it.The government must take the place of God, and to do that we rewrite history even the Bible. Oh holly government please be our "safety net" let all men turn to you for all things.
Works through taxes Now thats a biblical concept. Make the other guy help the poor.
OK I'll go sizzle some where.
Fat
.Love It,
Ok that gets rid of Acts and Luke
So we're down to Matthew, Mark, John, 1 John, 2 John, 3 John, James, 1 Peter, 2 Peter, Jude, Revelation, and possibly Hebrew
Foon Nerfdahl said:Paul's "gospel" is one of defeat. Paul says he tries and tries, but he just keeps on sinning (apparently constantly). Poor sap is obsessed with sin and sees it behind every bush......for himself and others. He thinks he's chained to a body of death. He has a thorn in his side, he says.
ahab said:
Pauls letters precede the Gospels, so too does Acts . The gospels are the written accounts of Jesus life and ministry that the church thought was needed, the church being that Paul, Peter and the apostles etc. had already set up. Acts onwards caused the gospels to be written.
ahab said:Hi CaDan,
You are correct in that I can't recall anyone proposing Acts was written before the Gospel. I am in error in my statement.Thanks for correcting me.
Here is a link to some of the dating views..
http://www.errantskeptics.org/Dating_the_NT.htm
My main point was that much of the NT was written before the gospels and what Acts describes is the church that develops and causes the need for a written gospel. Paul being a focal point of that.
ahab said:They could have been written at the same time but there are reasons why most scholars believe various dates.
The point is that the writers are linked. Paul was as instrumental as Peter in the apostolic mission of the church in its beginnings. Strike out Paul and one strikes out the NT.
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