The ironic part is that you use your own interpretation and the material in question to make your argument. It's like using the Bible as a defense for the Bible. Circular reasoning.St. Andrei said:
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The ironic part is that you use your own interpretation and the material in question to make your argument. It's like using the Bible as a defense for the Bible. Circular reasoning.St. Andrei said:Okay, I will choose one random number in that list of "contradictions" and disprove it as well. If you are not satisfied after this next one, you can choose one for me. I just don't want to waste my time on this list--it was made by somebody who doesn't understand Christian doctrine.
Here goes disproof number two:
7. On being justified:
Paul says:
Rom.3
[24] they are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus,
[28] For we hold that a man is justified by faith apart from works of law.
Rom.5
[9] Since, therefore, we are now justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God.
Jesus says:
Matt.12
[37] for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.
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God graciously gives us faith to believe. Our faith justifies us because God had grace upon us. You (or Christ, as the case may be) can assess whether a person has been justified by God by the way he/she speaks: you can tell by their fruit (is a common example). James 2 talks about how true faith produces good works. This is what Christ meant. It is a chain of events.
You can see this chain of events best in Ephesians 2:
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
One can say that we are saved by God's grace; One can say that we are saved by faith; one can say that we are saved by our works. It is not that one thing apart from the others did it alone, but all these components are essential to salvation: justification is one part of the salvation "process".
cweb255 said:The ironic part is that you use your own interpretation and the material in question to make your argument. It's like using the Bible as a defense for the Bible. Circular reasoning.
cweb255 said:I was explaining the contradiction of Paul and Jesus. But you used Paul to defend Paul, how ironic!
cweb255 said:Further explain things. If you feel that you shouldn't, you have left with circular reasoning, a logical fallacy.
cweb255 said:What chain of events? What are you blathering about?
St. Andrei said:You can see this chain of events best in Ephesians 2:
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
One can say that we are saved by God's grace; One can say that we are saved by faith; one can say that we are saved by our works. It is not that one thing apart from the others did it alone, but all these components are essential to salvation: justification is one part of the salvation "process".
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-- 9 not by works, so that no one can boast. 10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.
One can say that we are saved by God's grace; One can say that we are saved by faith; one can say that we are saved by our works. It is not that one thing apart from the others did it alone, but all these components are essential to salvation: justification is one part of the salvation "process".
cweb255 said:Yes, I understand it, but I don't agree with it, nor does it even agree with the rest of the Bible. James 2:26
robot23 said:i don't understand why people take the bible literally
i don't get it
Petr said:He was never regarded as an infalliable man as our preachers are sometimes trying to depict him,
Petr said:hence his writings must be taken with an openminded approach, not as a literal writings of God, but as a story of a man who is describing his approach to God, which suited him well for his spiritual growth, and which he believed to be useful to others too.
Paul taught his own doctrine of the inspiration of God. God didn't inspire his writings, he was inspired to write because of God.St. Andrei said:His writings are not literal writings of God, but were certainly inspired by God. Paul taught doctrine and that doctrine (being inspired by God) should be considered infallible, regardless of whether our texts today are 100% accurate to the texts back then or not (and I readily admit that they aren't).
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