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Foon Nerfdahl said:You must have forgotten that Jesus said there would BE NO signs.
What do you think the chalice and the wine represent?Misty Minister said:What if I caught the challice and did not spill the wine? That would be a good thing, right?
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Fire said:We have been referring thus far to “the author” of Acts. Our reason is that the work circulated anonymously. The same is true of the companion work, the Gospel of Luke, which eventually came to circulate with a traditional title. Though Acts is traditionally attributed to Luke the beloved physician and companion of Paul, in recent years the book has been increasingly regarded as composed by an unknown author. It is likely that the author lived in the generation after Paul. We can assume that he did his best with the sources available to him, at a distance of two to three decades from the death of Paul (A.D. 64?) and from the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70.
It is ironic that the more one insists upon the author’s being a contemporary and companion of the apostle, the more difficult it is to believe in the author’s due diligence and good faith. If he is allowed to be a late first century author, his lack of information or his misinformation is understandable, and his good efforts are laudable.
http://www.paulonpaul.org/workshop/acts_source_1.htm
Chrysostomon,
[font=Times New Roman, Times]Your criticism concerning the authorship of Acts is valid. While I still believe that Paul was the author of Acts and Hebrews, I do not have proof at this time.
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Foon Nerfdahl said:I never worry about it. God can take care of the details, all I have to do is try my best to live a life of compassion, justice and mercy.
I don't have to "deserve" grace. It's available to those who seek it......it is God's gracious love and God loves nothing better than to give it.
ChiRho said:From where do you draw this idea that "effort" is all that matters? Also, when God demands "thou shalt not lie," are you contending that He really means "thou shalt try not to lie?"
Everything is contingent upon our action? We seek, therefore, we receive forgiveness?
Is this not a "deserved" grace, awarded to those who actively seek God?
Still, if this is so, how are you confident that you have sought enough or or sought rightly?
Pax Christi,
ChiRho
And you don't believe a translator might be inspired?Foon Nerfdahl said:If you know that much, you must know that the Septuagint is a translation from the original Hebrew to the Greek.....and the original Hebrew said, "young woman," not virgin.
Is what the whole point?That's the whole point, isn't it?
Where does he demand that?ChiRho said:when God demands "thou shalt not lie,"
Robert the Pilegrim said:Where does he demand that?
From where do you draw this idea that "effort" is all that matters? Also, when God demands "thou shalt not lie," are you contending that He really means "thou shalt try not to lie?"
Everything is contingent upon our action? We seek, therefore, we receive forgiveness?
Is this not a "deserved" grace, awarded to those who actively seek God?
Still, if this is so, how are you confident that you have sought enough or or sought rightly?
In the future please give a citation.Foon Nerfdahl said:Jesus said, "If the son sets you free (from sin, in context) then you shall be free indeed."
John wrote,
Paul, however, says..........NO one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot go on sinning, because he has been born of God. 10This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother.
17As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. 18I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out.
Matthew 5:48 said:Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
And again inMatthew 18:21 said:21 Then Peter came to Jesus and asked, Lord, how many times shall I forgive my brother when he sins against me? Up to seven times?
22 Jesus answered, I tell you, not seven times, but seventyseven times.
Luke 17:3b-4 said:"If your brother sins, rebuke him, and if he repents, forgive him. 4If he sins against you seven times in a day, and seven times comes back to you and says, 'I repent,' forgive him."
Misty Minister said:Followers of John the Baptist still exist. It might be interesting to ask them what they make of John 1 19-37 and why they are not Christians.
CanDAn, Foon, Tulc, Fate?
The implication of this comparison seems to be that true Christians don't sin.
The emphasis throughout the Hebrew Scriptures is on not slandering or not going to court and testifying falsely against your neighbor. I don't think God generally condones lying, but as far as I know there is no commandment against lying, and indeed David lied as did Rahab.ChiRho said:Well pilgrum...
Exodus 20
16"You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Robert the Pilegrim said:The emphasis throughout the Hebrew Scriptures is on not slandering or not going to court and testifying falsely against your neighbor. I don't think God generally condones lying, but as far as I know there is no commandment against lying, and indeed David lied as did Rahab.
The Eighth Commandment.
Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
What does this mean?--Answer.
We should fear and love God that we may not deceitfully belie, betray, slander, or defame our neighbor, but defend him, [think and] speak well of him, and put the best construction on everything.
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