Striking Out Paul

[Foon Nerfdahl]

I thought we were supposed to care?
tulc(who hasn't seen CaDan doing any boasting)

No, CaDan was discussing YOUR boasting and boasting about your good works.

I don't know how he knew about your good works, but I suspect you let your right hand know what your left hand was doing. Maybe that's what you did before getting up in the morning?



Works of charity are to be kept secret according to Jesus.

Discussing specific good works is simply wrong, that's why I cannot discuss mine......they are secret, as in accordance with the teachings of Jesus.



P.S. You are getting us OFF topic again. Is that your sole purpose here?

 

[fejao]

Now boys behave or I will throw my chalice at you, in love of course
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Fejao x​

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

Throwing a chalice would violate the Law of Love that Jesus gave us.

Someone, even an innocent bystander like myself, could be injured.

That is sin.

However, as James says in his letter, by the power of Grace, you can resist the temptation to throw that chalice and the Devil will FLEE from you!

Of course, IF you are a FundaGelical, you could feel free to just go ahead and throw the chalice because you think you are covered by Paul's "Easy Grace" rule.

It all depends on whether you listen to Jesus or Paul.

 

[CaDan]

No, CaDan was discussing YOUR boasting and boasting about your good works.

I don't know how he knew about your good works, but I suspect you let your right hand know what your left hand was doing. Maybe that's what you did before getting up in the morning?

IIRC, I found out tulc was a member of JPUSA from a fellowship thread a couple of months back in WWMC identifying everybody's church. (Wow! That's a lot of acronyms!) I happen to know a little about how JPUSA operates. No boasting involved on tulc's part, I can assure you.

Works of charity are to be kept secret according to Jesus.

That's why you hear about them from me, not him.

Discussing specific good works is simply wrong, that's why I cannot discuss mine......they are secret, as in accordance with the teachings of Jesus.

Cool enough.

P.S. You are getting us OFF topic again. Is that your sole purpose here?

Nope. The purpose is to provide a counterexample to your claim that those who read Paul don't do good.

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

your claim that those who read Paul don't do good.

But I have never claimed that, oh great hallucinator. Read better.

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

IIRC, I found out tulc was a member of JPUSA from a fellowship thread a couple of months back in WWMC identifying everybody's church. (Wow! That's a lot of acronyms!) I happen to know a little about how JPUSA operates. No boasting involved on tulc's part, I can assure you.

LOL!

So tulc joined a boasting church and he himself has not boasted, just very carefully let it be known that he is part of a boasting church.......

And tulc basks in that glory..........

Then you post on a public forum that he has given all he owns to the poor and thus is above criticism and since I disagree with him I am unmannerly and out of line.........and, just by coincidence, I just happen to be disagreeing with you also..............

Ok......you both are obviously above criticism in this case.

 

[CaDan]

But I have never claimed that, oh great hallucinator. Read better.

The evaluation of the aforementioned is left as an exercise to the reader.

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

Oh no, Mr. Accuser.......you made the accusation.

It is up to you to back it up with a quote of me saying that "those who read Paul don't do good."

And you can't.

 

[CaDan]

LOL!

So tulc joined a boasting church and he himself has not boasted, just very carefully let it be known that he is part of a boasting church.......

And tulc basks in that glory..........

Then you post on a public forum that he has given all he owns to the poor and thus is above criticism and since I disagree with him I am unmannerly and out of line.........and, just by coincidence, I just happen to be disagreeing with you also..............

Ok......you both are obviously above criticism in this case.

Bless you, Foon.

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

I'm nothing if not intensely fair.

 

[AngelusSax]

Jesus was a savior in the sense of showing us the way.

Sorry if this is a repeat of someone else, as I've skimmed, not read thoroughly, from that until here.

The problem with this statement is, it isn't what Jesus said. He did not say "I will show you the way".. He said "I am the way, the truth, the life, and no man comes to the Father but by me."

Works of charity are to be kept secret according to Jesus.

Yes. However, sometimes people find out our good works because we just happen to be spotted by them. If we do the good works without seeking glorification, but that glorification comes anyway, and then we say "Glory to God, not me" (or some paraphrase), then what wrong have we done?

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

Yes. However, sometimes people find out our good works because we just happen to be spotted by them. If we do the good works without seeking glorification, but that glorification comes anyway, and then we say "Glory to God, not me" (or some paraphrase), then what wrong have we done?

Why worry? If you are a follower of Paul you can sin every morning before you get out of bed anyhow......what's the additional sin of a little carefully engineered boasting gonna hurt?

 

[tulc]

Why worry? If you are a follower of Paul you can sin every morning before you get out of bed anyhow......what's the additional sin of a little carefully engineered boasting gonna hurt

LOL! LOL! Man I am a sneaky guy aren't I?
tulc(charter member of the Illuminati!)

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

I tip my hat to you.

 

[AngelusSax]

what's the additional sin of a little carefully engineered boasting gonna hurt?

You see carefully engineered boasting, I see God bringing things full circle and giving us a glimpse of the reward we can look forward to in Heaven.

 

[tulc]

Discussing specific good works is simply wrong, that's why I cannot discuss mine......they are secret, as in accordance with the teachings of Jesus.

uh oh now people know you do good works!
tulc(who suspected you did, as most all Christians do! )

 

[Heiroglyph]

I believe the Bible was written by God just the way God wanted it to be written. The men used to actually write it were just God's tools, like a pen is to man. Did the pen write the Bible? If I couldn't believe that the whole was written by God then I would have to question each part. If I found any part of the Bible that I could not believe then I would not be able to believe any of it. Either the whole Bible is God's word or none of it is. I believe that God is a living God that affects things like the writing and canonizing of the Bible. I do not believe that God is just some abstract concept that has long removed himself from man and just expects us to live up to some ideal he set forth millenia ago. I believe God is real and affects everything that happens today from minor decisions people make to big ones governments make. I believe God has a hand in putting leaders in charge of the various nations and holding them responsible for their people and seeing the bad ones overthrown by their people or by war.
Exodus 1020 But the LORD hardened Pharaoh's heart, so that he would not let the children of Israel go.
The Lord affected the Pharaoh's decision to not let the people of Israel go. So that the Lord could bring plagues upon the people of Egypt so that eventually they would be so eager to get rid of the children of Israel that they would give them their jewelry which the children of Israel could then use to build their temple. There's alot more to be learned about God and man from that story but for this discussion's purpose I am just trying to show that God is intimately involved with the affairs of men.

 

[Foon Nerfdahl]

uh oh now people know you do good works!
tulc(who suspected you did, as most all Christians do! )

MOST CHRISTIANS DO??????

Excuse me, but I was under the impression that ALL Christians do good works.

Besides, the rulers of this forum have temporarily declared me a non-Christian until they can decide what I am.

I'm now listed as a Taoist, but I may end up as an agnostic or a deist.......or, maybe even a Muslim or a Jew simply because of the complexity of my views.

But I am determined to suffer all things and be joyful and be more than a conqueror in Christ Jesus.

I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do everything through him who gives me strength.

 

[tulc]

I am not saying this because I am in need, for I have learned to be content whatever the circumstances. I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. I can do everything through him who gives me strength

Yeah, I also love that scripture!
tulc(let us know how it turns out?)

 

[tulc]

MOST CHRISTIANS DO??????

Excuse me, but I was under the impression that ALL Christians do good works.

Well I try and avoid generalizing if I can.
tulc(have a good Sunday! )