Stopping Abortion

[JimR-OCDS]

Jim go back to the 1950's and keep going back...a woman was not allowed to say know to his wife. He could beat her, rape her do what ever he wanted as long as he did not kill her. Pregnancy has alot of side effects one of them being death. Medicine has come far woman do not die as often in pregnancy but the still die. I have been looking for stories and one is a woman who was on blood thinners cause of a stroke she was in her 40s and she got pregnant. She could not carry to term and her pastor and every one was saying she should. She had an abortion cause her medications one could have adverse effects on her fetus. There was about a fifty percent chance she would do. You and every other conservative Christian does not have right to force someone to go through something that can kill them. That list from earlier is real...it can also cause severe depression...my aunt almost killed herself after she had her baby...you keep going on about an unborn child...what about the life of the woman...fact an abortion does not cause suffering for the fetus...the part of the brain that has conciseness and fills pain does not form till around 28 weeks and by that point most doctors will do an abortion unless the woman's life is in danger. And most women who do an abortion do not chose to do so lightly and they do it in the first two or three months. And despite the self-righteous hoopla you know all of this. Pregnancy can have fatal side effects does it happen meaning it has to be her choice

I grew up in the 50's and never saw my father or grandfather's raise a hand to their wives.

In fact, hitting a woman was treated as cowardice by my elders and they would've punished us for hitting a girl.

I don't deny it happens, but it usually happens by men who have no respect for women and lack of respect for women is more common in today's world than that of my father's or grandfather's.

My grandmother had 9 children and my mother had 5 boys.

You believe they were raped by their husbands ?

Maybe this is how men treated women in your family, but I can assure you, it didn't happen in mine.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Prohibition should have taught Americans that the government can't impose on the nation, the moral standard held by a minority just by changing the laws!

Within a democracy this only breeds disrespect and defiance directed toward the government, while once again providing a financial windfall for organized crime to seize the opportunity by providing an illegal, unregulated, profitable medical service for desperate young women!

But when the majority believe an act is immoral, should laws be made to prohibit it ?

The majority of Americans believe that late term abortions should be restricted and banned if the health of the mother is not an issue.

Fact is, few doctors will deliberately kill a viable unborn late term baby.

 

[Brightmoon]

I grew up in the 50's and never saw my father or grandfather's raise a hand to their wives.

In fact, hitting a woman was treated as cowardice by my elders and they would've punished us for hitting a girl.

I don't deny it happens, but it usually happens by men who have no respect for women and lack of respect for women is more common in today's world than that of my father's or grandfather's.

My grandmother had 9 children and my mother had 5 boys.

You believe they were raped by their husbands ?

Maybe this is how men treated women in your family, but I can assure you, it didn't happen in mine.

. In some states some types of marital rape is still legal . This is the 21st century not the 1950s and it’s still an issue for some American women

 

[jgarden]

But when the majority believe an act is immoral, should laws be made to prohibit it ?

The majority of Americans believe that late term abortions should be restricted and banned if the health of the mother is not an issue.

Fact is, few doctors will deliberately kill a viable unborn late term baby.

The issue is not about late term abortions, but a women's right to legally request one at an earlier date - given that ProLife fails to command the support of a majority of Americans and that Roe v Wade has been in existence for 50 years, changing the laws would only provide a financial incentive for organized crime to fill the medical vacuum!

 

[JimR-OCDS]

. In some states some types of marital rape is still legal . This is the 21st century not the 1950s and it’s still an issue for some American women

What states ?

Some woman believe all sexual intercourse is rape.

They have very shallow lives.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The issue is not about late term abortions, but a women's right to legally request one at an earlier date - given that ProLife fails to command the support of a majority of Americans and that Roe v Wade has been in existence for 50 years, changing the laws would only provide a financial incentive for organized crime to fill the medical vacuum!

So you support all abortion on demand then ?

I understand that the politics of today, there is no way abortions before viability will every be banned. I don't support such abortions, but believe in education on the issue as well as sex education.

However, Roe V Wade allows for abortion right up to the ninth month. Few doctors will perform it, but some will.

Today, we're now hearing of "Post Birth Abortions" and those calling for them to be legal.

This is when parents have a child with a disability and find it too much of a burden to handle. They want to euthanize the child.

If you doubt what I'm saying, just google "Post Birth Abortion," and you'll be led to the sites, including Oxford U in England, where there are professors calling for the legalization.

Don't think that will become legal ? I'm not so sure.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

But when the majority believe an act is immoral, should laws be made to prohibit it ?

The majority of Americans believe that late term abortions should be restricted and banned if the health of the mother is not an issue.

Fact is, few doctors will deliberately kill a viable unborn late term baby.

Jim we all agree with that. Your hooting and hollering over nothing. I think every one here agrees that a late term abortion should not be allowed short of medical reason. The reason the pro choice people are fighting is because a large number of pro lifers are for know abortion for any reason. I remember and old pastor saying there is not reason for an abortion...if there medical problems your supposed to pray smh. My moms last pregnancy she had to make a choice...a fetus that was not going to survive or taking care of her other children...she had know family my adopted father had just dies himself. My mom told our pastor to go to hell. Can god heal and save...yes....does it happen enough that a single mother is going to gamble her life for a fetus that is a few months along and leaving her children as wards of the state, No she is not. She asked the pastor and the others were they gonna take care of her other children if she died...the suggested foster care that was when she told them to go to hell

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Jim we all agree with that. Your hooting and hollering over nothing. I think every one her agrees that a late term abortion should not be allowed short of medical reason. The reason the pro choice people are fighting is because a large number of pro lifers are not for abortion for any reason. I remember and old pastor saying there is not reason for an abortion...if there medical problems your supposed to pray smh. My moms last pregnancy she had to make a choice...a fetus that was not going to survive or taking care other children...she had know family my adopted father had just dies himself. My mom told our pastor to go to hell. Can god heal and save...yes....does it happen enough that a single mother is going to gamble her life for a fetus that is a few months along and leaving her children as wards of the state. She asked the pastor and the others were they gonna take care of her other children if she died...the suggested foster care that was win she told them to go to hell

I'm not in a political pro-life groups and their members have problems that I've had to deal with in the past.

However, I believe that all direct abortions are intrinsically immoral. As I posted earlier, I understand that before viability, there is no way that Congress will ever ban all abortions.

For me, education is the key. When a woman understands that she has a choice, she won't feel she has no choice but to abort her unborn child.

 

[Brightmoon]

What states ?

Some woman believe all sexual intercourse is rape.

They have very shallow lives.

. That’s because no means NO ! Some creeps act like women don’t have the right to say no

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

. That’s because no means NO ! Some creeps act like women don’t have the right to say no

Your right and you also have women who use rape as a tool to hurt guys. Politics uses rape as a weapon now. Kavanaugh and Biden both were accused...but they were accused just as they were about in Bidens case Maybe take a high political office. I look at someone like Trump who had multiple accusations of rape since the late 70s and I am like...I was a republican but this Trump thing has just made me ill.

I'm not in a political pro-life groups and their members have problems that I've had to deal with in the past.

However, I believe that all direct abortions are intrinsically immoral. As I posted earlier, I understand that before viability, there is no way that Congress will ever ban all abortions.

For me, education is the key. When a woman understands that she has a choice, she won't feel she has no choice but to abort her unborn child.

No there are only two choices keep or abort. And proper sex education can prevent and unwanted pregnancy. Man I have never heard of a woman just have an abortion for kicks. Pregnancy has a lot of side effects, metal breakdown which is more often than people like to admit and possible. death. Now do not get me wrong my belief in a woman having the right to chose does extend to late term abortions...If a woman is raped and wants to abort that is her rate. That does not mean I think she should wait till 7 months along and decide to abort...at that point the fetus can think and feal

 

[JimR-OCDS]

. That’s because no means NO ! Some creeps act like women don’t have the right to say no

Most men of my parents and grandparents time knew what no meant and respected it and it was the same for my generation.

It may be different now as young males are sent conflicting messages from women especially with the "ME TOO" movement.

The art of seduction is now treated as sexual assault.

Heck, I was down at the VA clinic a few weeks ago and they have a poster on the wall that says, "Flirting is Sexual Harassment." Really ?

How do young people find romance these days ?

 

[Archivist]

However, Roe V Wade allows for abortion right up to the ninth month. Few doctors will perform it, but some will.

Today, we're now hearing of "Post Birth Abortions" and those calling for them to be legal.

This is when parents have a child with a disability and find it too much of a burden to handle. They want to euthanize the child.

If you doubt what I'm saying, just google "Post Birth Abortion," and you'll be led to the sites, including Oxford U in England, where there are professors calling for the legalization.

Don't think that will become legal ? I'm not so sure.

Actually Roe permitted states to ban abortions during the third trimester so long as they allowed exceptions for the life and health of the pregnant woman. The trimester framework of Roe was later abandoned in Casey.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Actually Roe permitted states to ban abortions during the third trimester so long as they allowed exceptions for the life and health of the pregnant woman. The trimester framework of Roe was later abandoned in Casey.

That came later, but originally, Roe V Wade allowed abortions right up to the 9th month,

However, finding a doctor to perform such a late term abortion on an healthy infant was almost impossible. Yet, there were some who'd do it and would not be prosecuted for it.

 

[Archivist]

That came later, but originally, Roe V Wade allowed abortions right up to the 9th month,

However, finding a doctor to perform such a late term abortion on an healthy infant was almost impossible. Yet, there were some who'd do it and would not be prosecuted for it.

Wrong. You need to read Roe. States could not limit abortions during the first trimester, could require reasonable health restrictions during the second trimester and could ban abortion during the third trimester so long as they allowed exceptions for the woman’s life and health. I once met the man who wrote the opinion and talked with him about it. The trimester limitations were abolished in Casey.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Wrong. You need to read Roe. States could not limit abortions during the first trimester, could require reasonable health restrictions during the second trimester and could ban abortion during the third trimester so long as they allowed exceptions for the woman’s life and health. I once met the man who wrote the opinion and talked with him about it. The trimester limitations were abolished in Casey.

I stand corrected!

 

[jgarden]

So you support all abortion on demand then ?

I understand that the politics of today, there is no way abortions before viability will every be banned. I don't support such abortions, but believe in education on the issue as well as sex education.

However, Roe V Wade allows for abortion right up to the ninth month. Few doctors will perform it, but some will.

Today, we're now hearing of "Post Birth Abortions" and those calling for them to be legal.

This is when parents have a child with a disability and find it too much of a burden to handle. They want to euthanize the child.

If you doubt what I'm saying, just google "Post Birth Abortion," and you'll be led to the sites, including Oxford U in England, where there are professors calling for the legalization.

Don't think that will become legal ? I'm not so sure.

Abortion rates highest where legally restricted: study - SciDev ...
www.scidev.net › global › health › news › abortion-rat...
Jul 23, 2020 — Women in developing world three times more likely to experience unplanned pregnancy than women in global North.

Abortion rates go down when countries make it legal: report
www.nbcnews.com › health › health-care › abortion-rat...
Mar 21, 2018 — Abortion rates are lowest in countries that make it legal at the same time as making birth control easily accessible, a new report finds

Legal or Not, Abortion Rates Compare - The New York Times
www.nytimes.com › 2007/10/12 › world › 12abortion
Oct 12, 2007 — A comprehensive global study of abortion suggests that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it
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Based on everything we know about abortion, merely changing the laws have never served as a serious deterent - so where does that place ProLife once they've played their "Trump card!"

Perhaps only then they will be forced to come to the realization that the abortion issue is far more complex than just repealining Roe v Wade - changing the laws without even acknowledging the underlying causes is an exercise in futility!

Given that most ProLifers are Trump supporters, they insist that American's young women be forced into full term-pregnancies but steadfastly refuse to wear masks or practice social distancing, despite the 1000's of lives that could be saved, because that would interfere with their rights as citizens!
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[JimR-OCDS]

Abortion rates highest where legally restricted: study - SciDev ...
www.scidev.net › global › health › news › abortion-rat...
Jul 23, 2020 — Women in developing world three times more likely to experience unplanned pregnancy than women in global North.

Abortion rates go down when countries make it legal: report
www.nbcnews.com › health › health-care › abortion-rat...
Mar 21, 2018 — Abortion rates are lowest in countries that make it legal at the same time as making birth control easily accessible, a new report finds

Legal or Not, Abortion Rates Compare - The New York Times
www.nytimes.com › 2007/10/12 › world › 12abortion
Oct 12, 2007 — A comprehensive global study of abortion suggests that outlawing the procedure does little to deter women seeking it
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Based on everything we know about abortion, merely changing the laws have never served as a serious deterent - so where does that place ProLife once they've played their "Trump card!"

Perhaps only then they will be forced to come to the realization that the abortion issue is far more complex than just repealining Roe v Wade - changing the laws without even acknowledging the underlying causes is an exercise in futility!

Given that most ProLifers are Trump supporters, they insist that American's young women be forced into full term-pregnancies but steadfastly refuse to wear masks or practice social distancing, despite the 1000's of lives that could be saved, because it interferes with their rights as citizens!

Just because abortion doesn't have a chance of being made illegal, doesn't mean we can just throw up our hands and give in and support it.

Immoral laws are immoral, regardless of whether the state make them legal or not, nor whether a society accepts them as moral.

Truth remains true, regardless of public opinion.

 

[Brightmoon]

Just because abortion doesn't have a chance of being made illegal, doesn't mean we can just throw up our hands and give in and support it.

Immoral laws are immoral, regardless of whether the state make them legal or not, nor whether a society accepts them as moral.

Truth remains true, regardless of public opinion.

so truth remains true regardless of opinion . Here’s what true ! Abortion numbers go down with access to birth control , sex education and legal abortions . And the religious conservatives fight hardest to get all 3 taken away . Here’s another truth , women aren’t baby machines and don’t want to be.

 

[Archivist]

so truth remains true regardless of opinion . Here’s what true ! Abortion numbers go down with access to birth control , sex education and legal abortions . And the religious conservatives fight hardest to get all 3 taken away . Here’s another truth , women aren’t baby machines and don’t want to be.

It seems to me that lowering the number of abortions is the most important thing.

 

[Brightmoon]

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