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Then there is the option of placing the child for adoption!

The notion that we can just kill people because their existence causes us some financial difficulty or obligation is not arguable in a civilized society. And particularly not when that child is the result of a free decision on the part of the would-be mother to have sex.

Hey quote the entire statement I did not just say the little phrase, you gotta love conservatives, they edit and twist things to make it look there way...your not thinking of the cost of carrying that child for 9 months its not cheap.
 
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That defintion of insanity is not valid. Also in the West we don't promote waiting until marriage for sex at all. Having an abortion is wrong, whether you're married or not. It's not my fault some people are insane and kill children. Also unless you're willing to produce a child then yes I am promoting abstinence to married people.

And again when has your particular opinion worked in history of humanity, it hasn't it never has and never will. Condoms work at preventing pregnancy and STD's when used correctly. Instead of your condescending judgmental view on what YOU THINK!!! people should...deal on what society actually does.
 
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And again when has your particular opinion worked in history of humanity, it hasn't it never has and never will. Condoms work at preventing pregnancy and STD's when used correctly. Instead of your condescending judgmental view on what YOU THINK!!! people should...deal on what society actually does.
How am I condescending? I actually believe people are capable of not having sex. It's not my job to fix their wrongdoing. They know what they need to do.
 
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And again when has your particular opinion worked in history of humanity, it hasn't it never has and never will. Condoms work at preventing pregnancy and STD's when used correctly. Instead of your condescending judgmental view on what YOU THINK!!! people should...deal on what society actually does.
You're acting like people are just helpless creatures who can't help but have sex. But I'm to blame? I have to come up with some way they can continue sinning but then avoid pregnancy and their twisted abortions?
 
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(snip) It's not my job to fix their wrongdoing. They know what they need to do.
...as long as the choice is one you agree with of course, otherwise you appear to think you (and lots of other people) should be part any decision a woman makes about her body.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)
 
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...as long as the choice is one you agree with of course, otherwise you appear to think you (and lots of other people) should be part any decision a woman makes about her body.
tulc(just thought that should be pointed out)
You're right we all need complete independence from the influence, discipline and rules of others! How silly of me! From hence forth I declare that everyone can do whatever it is they feel like doing! Who am I - a man - to say otherwise?
 
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Hey quote the entire statement I did not just say the little phrase, you gotta love conservatives, they edit and twist things to make it look there way...your not thinking of the cost of carrying that child for 9 months its not cheap.

What part of "you cannot kill someone just because he is an inconvenience to you" has not been made clear yet??
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Scientist know that human life begins at conception.

Anyone who denies this, will have to explain how they skipped conception at the start of their life.


And being pro-choice doesn't mean you don't support abortion.

A woman who wants an abortion doesn't just will it to happen. She must have others to perform it and provide the medical requirements involved.

Then of course, society must be willing to allow it and allow for the logistics to support it.

The term "Pro-Choice," is a way the leftist try to take a neutral position when it comes to abortion.
that’s not really true , life began in the Precambrian if you want to make that argument . Cells are alive granted. Fetuses aren’t capable of living independently until about the 6th fetal month. Until then they are a type of self limiting parasite on the woman. The ugly fact is that this “parasitic” condition will cause health problems for some women . It should be solely her choice to continue the pregnancy or not . It’s truly none of your business and even more important, it should never be any of your business!
 
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You're right we all need complete independence from the influence, discipline and rules of others!
...didn't you just say:
It's not my job to fix their wrongdoing. They know what they need to do.
But aren't you one of the people that want to use the government to take away a woman's right to make decisions about her own body? because you don't think they can make the right (meaning: the one you want them to make) one?

How silly of me! From hence forth I declare that everyone can do whatever it is they feel like doing!
The sad part of this is your thinking it was ever your job in the first place.

Who am I - a man - to say otherwise?
Don't beat yourself up over it, no one's probably ever pointed out to you that that's what you've been doing all this time.
tulc(thinks now might be a good time to fetch more coffee) :coffee:
 
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I got that from your post. But if the fetus is actually "non viable" there isn't any real argument.

There also isn't any excuse for aborting all those preborn children who are viable. Yet that is still legal.
should have addressed this earlier. all fetuses are non-viable before the 6th fetal month . Partial birth abortions are rare and only if the fetus continues to be non viable or is dead or the woman’s health is going to be permanently compromised or her life is in danger. I think that’s fair . once the fetus reaches 6 months it is capable of living on its own.
 
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But aren't you one of the people that want to use the government to take away a woman's right to make decisions about her own body?
We never established what those decisions were in the first place. You avoided the topic. I seriously have no idea what you're talking about when you say "decisions".
 
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should have addressed this earlier. all fetuses are non-viable before the 6th fetal month . Partial birth abortions are rare and only if the fetus continues to be non viable or is dead or the woman’s health is going to be permanently compromised or her life is in danger. I think that’s fair . once the fetus reaches 6 months it is capable of living on its own.
Which means that you depart from the other posters here who have argued for unlimited abortions. That's fine. It doesn't mean that you and I agree, but it does mean that your position is not the same as theirs.
 
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I doubt very much that others who want abortions kept legal want unlimited 3rd trimester abortions. I think you are mistaken . I don’t disagree with 3rd trimester abortions If the woman’s life is in danger and/or the fetus won’t live.
 
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Not even a one year old can live on its own. Most five year olds would last a week at best without their parents.
. You’re nitpicking over my poor choice of words but you knew what I meant . That’s not an argument against abortion
 
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A 6 month old fetus can live without being in the mother’s uterus. If your so ignorant of women’s bodies and of fetal development, why do you think you can make these decisions for someone else?
 
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A 6 month old fetus can live without being in the mother’s uterus. If your so ignorant of women’s bodies and of fetal development, why do you think you can make these decisions for someone else?
What are these decisions everyone is talking about?
 
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We never established what those decisions were in the first place. You avoided the topic. I seriously have no idea what you're talking about when you say "decisions".
uhmmm...I didn't "avoid" the topic, I pointed out it doesn't actually matter what decisions she wants to make, since it's her body and not yours.
tulc(isn't really sure what's confusing about that)
 
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