Stopping abortion

[pantsman52]

Feel good socialists getting in the way of the invisble hand of the free market and the compassion of the church.

Capitalism = Christianity?

 

[KinderBee]

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Originally Posted by: Kroger99

Nah….I just think that your ideal is absurd and I thought I would have some fun by sounding absurd myself, but I bet that you already knew that. Your nit-picking my spelling errors is just proof that I was successful at my evil ploy.

However, I see teaching kids how to have sex just as absurd as some of the things that I jokingly suggested. I would prefer that we teach them about not having sex until they are married and remind them that killing babies is not cool.

You have very little knowledge about what sex education is. They don't teach them about sexual positions, tips on how to have sex, foreplay etc. The emphasis is that abstinence is the best choice but it's important to know the effectiveness of condoms and differnt types of birth control. While in abstinence only sex education they don't recieve any information on how to protect themselves from disease and pregnancy. Giving someone the information to protect themselves and make a healthy well educated choice has been proved to work the best .

 

[Ethaniel]

Diehappy stated "Feel good socialists getting in the way of the invisble hand of the free market and the compassion of the church."

Would this be the same invisible hand of the free market that brought us child labor, 16 hour workdays, no health insurance, and union busting or the compassion of the church of Tomas de Torquemada, the witch burnings, the Crusades, and the Scarlet Letter.

Either seems a frightening alternative. The free market of Dick Cheney or the Compassion of Pat Robertson? Hmmmmm.....

 

[Helo]

Compassion of Pat Robertson....son...we dont encourage bad language around here

 

[katautumn]

I grow so weary of this debate. Oddly enough, the lifers who present the most feeble arguments are virginal, naive teenage girls and men - both of whom know nothing about the complications that arise from pregnancy and giving birth, at least from a personal standpoint.

And may I shed some light on some of the misconceptions that have been presented here?

1. Someone made a comment about taking a pregnancy test immediately after having sex. You can't take a pregnancy test and have it yield anywhere close to accurate results when you're not even pregnant yet.

2. Your body naturally flushing a zygote is not a miscarriage. Miscarriage is the spontaneous, unintended ending of a pregnancy.

3. Pregnancy does not begin until implantation has taken place. Since this does not happen until approximately five days after the sperm and egg meet, a woman is not pregnant until then.

Why do we call pregnancy a punishment? We (choicers) don't. How often is this cliche used in the abortion debate?:

"If you have sex you'd better be ready to handle/suffer the consequences"

In situations of cause and effect, the word "consequence" is almost always used with negative connotation. People who believe that being ready for sex means you're sufficiently ready for a baby don't truly care about human life. They care about punishing women for *gasp* the atrocity of actually wanting to be in total control over their sexuality, that liberation of having sex with a lover or husband without wanting to have a child.

 

[LouTheWicked]

If you stop abortion legally, then you'll have more desperate women going around backstreets to have them removed unproffessionally with a coat hanger or some other horrible tool, risking the mother's life.

What's a better choice, letting a woman go into to a proffessional who won't accidently scrape out her uterus in the process and get it done over with quickly, or having both die?

 

[Tangnefedd]

No sane person wants to go back to the days of the back street abortionists, which will surely happen if abortion is once more made illegal. Women do have rights over their body and I think abortion on demand should be legal until 12 weeks gestation and only after that in exceptional circumstances.

 

[flicka]

I grow so weary of this debate. Oddly enough, the lifers who present the most feeble arguments are virginal, naive teenage girls and men - both of whom know nothing about the complications that arise from pregnancy and giving birth, at least from a personal standpoint.

It's really hard to debate anything with people who don't have the same life experiences you do. I usually avoid abortion debates for that very reason but I sometimes have to pop in and add a voice of reason (IMHO anyway) even if nobody wants to listen to me.

 

[Tangnefedd]

Compassion of Pat Robertson


That is an oxymoron!

 

[SimplyMe]

2. Your body naturally flushing a zygote is not a miscarriage. Miscarriage is the spontaneous, unintended ending of a pregnancy.

This reminded me, I seem to recall that over half of all pregnancies end in miscarriage. Half of the pregnancies are naturally aborted before the fertilized egg implants itself in the womb (equivalent to using the "day after pill"). Another 30% occur in the first month. After that, another 25% will still end in miscarriage. If this many pregnancies are aborting naturally, it seems a stretch to call abortion murder. Do we really want to claim that God is responsible for over half the "murders" of unborn children?

 

[katautumn]

The article does not state that it is a miscarriage before implantation, as you wouldn't even know you had conceived, let alone flush out a microscopic zygote. The article did state that miscarriage can be caused by the zygote not implanting itself properly in the lining of the uterus.

 

[Diane_Windsor]

I would think the most obvious way to lower the number of abortions would be to increase sex education and availability of cheap contraceptives. Why are those who oppose abortion never for this option?

1. Not all anti-abortion rights individuals are against sex education and contraceptives.
2. Some anti-abortion rights individuals who are against contraceptives are against them on religious grounds. I am specifically thinking of conservative Roman Catholics, and I found some interesting articles on contraception on the Priests for Life website.
3. Some anti-abortion rights individuals who are against sex education probably buy into the fallacious argument that if we teach kids about sex then they will go out and do it.

Diane

 

[Monica02]

Sometimes the people picket the clinic on my street. The normal stuff like posters of aborted babys and signs. I don't think it's for attention at all. They genually hate the practice and want to inform people.



It might accomplish something. Someone might change ones mind about having an abortion.

It sure does accomplish alot. At the clinic where we counsel we average about one turnaround every day we are out there. I also do alot of street demonstrations and we always hear from people who did not realise what abortion was or how widespread it is. Pro-aborts HATE the picures of both fetal development and abortions because the pictures tell the truth. You can verbal engineer and discuss lies all you want but a dismembered human is a dismembered human.

 

[Dislike]

It sure does accomplish alot. At the clinic where we counsel we average about one turnaround every day we are out there. I also do alot of street demonstrations and we always hear from people who did not realise what abortion was or how widespread it is. Pro-aborts HATE the picures of both fetal development and abortions because the pictures tell the truth. You can verbal engineer and discuss lies all you want but a dismembered human is a dismembered human.

Or it could be that they're resorting to shock tactics because words are against them?

 

[katautumn]

Monica, do you feel it is appropriate for young children to see the graphic posters of supposed aborted fetuses? You people don't even want your children to be taught that pre-marital sex can be safe if you're responsible, and yet many anti-choice protestors seem to have no problem presenting the problem where a mother innocently walking down a sidewalk with her four-year-old has to try and explain the pictures.

 

[TeddyKGB]

Pro-aborts HATE the picures of both fetal development and abortions because the pictures tell the truth. You can verbal engineer and discuss lies all you want but a dismembered human is a dismembered human.

The truth about what? Are there people who think getting an abortion is like clipping toenails?

The state of an aborted fetus tells us zilch about what, if anything, the fetus felt during the procedure. Showing gruesome photos, therefore, amounts to nothing more than appeals to emotion and scare tactics.

 

[Monica02]

Monica, do you feel it is appropriate for young children to see the graphic posters of supposed aborted fetuses? You people don't even want your children to be taught that pre-marital sex can be safe if you're responsible, and yet many anti-choice protestors seem to have no problem presenting the problem where a mother innocently walking down a sidewalk with her four-year-old has to try and explain the pictures.

Of course I feel it is appropropriate for all people to see the pictures.
If the four year old happens to see the pix and asks a question, then the parent can explain what an abortion is. That is the parent's job, to explain things to their children.

 

[Monica02]

The truth about what? Are there people who think getting an abortion is like clipping toenails?

The state of an aborted fetus tells us zilch about what, if anything, the fetus felt during the procedure. Showing gruesome photos, therefore, amounts to nothing more than appeals to emotion and scare tactics.

The pictures show what an aborted human looks like. People can think about them however they wish. If they get emotional then so be it. Viewers can always seek out additional info.

 

[DieHappy]

Or it could be that they're resorting to shock tactics because words are against them?

The truth is for us, the law is against us. There's no denying the gruesomeness of an abortion or the physical and psychological effects it has on the mother. Lobbyists with a twisted agenda and spineless politicians have made it nearly impossible to actually try to protect the mother and her baby.

 

[TeddyKGB]

The pictures show what an aborted human looks like. People can think about them however they wish. If they get emotional then so be it. Viewers can always seek out additional info.

I hope you do not expect me to believe for one moment that your intentions are noble and dispassionate.