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Stop Normalizing Trump

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Wow. I would love to sit down and debate these guys or anyone who agrees with their point of view.
Contact them. Good luck.
Hilarious. I see why you suggested people start listening at 4:45. So we'd skip over the part where the discussion is about how unethical it is for a medical professional to publicly speak about a "diagnosis" of a person they've never met, much less diagnosed.
 
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Or you could go to Glenn Beck's radio program and hear how much sense Trump has been making in his bid to become president.
I did not think you could lower my opinion of Glenn Beck's intellect (or is it honesty). I've listened to long segments of Trump speaking this year, he often does not make much sense.
 
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Seems less abnormal? He is normal and they are abnormal
And bogus lawsuits...
That is what basically happened with all the law suits
 
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I'll wait for his/her medical degree to be posted before I accept that.
Ahh yes. Shroedinger's diagnoses.

That's the cool thing. A psychopath isn't a psychopath until an official diagnoses.

So long as Trump NEVER gets a mental health assessment or appropriately assessed, he behaves appropriately and respectfully with other people. He can continue to demonstrate ALL the symptoms...
But now SUDDENLY the "anti-elitists" will only listen to an "elitist" doctor.

That's how mental health works I guess.
 
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Is that what you thought? That's not God talking to you.

If you notice, it was alleged that I was using "Malignant Narcissist" as a slur (name calling), and that it wouldn't be considered otherwise unless I showed medical credentials. Since I'm not a psychiatrist yet I wasn't using it as a slur, to disprove that allegation, I showed psychiatrists who have said the same thing.

FYI, I was unaware that the interview contained the part you speak about, but I think it's good that Lawrence O'Donnell was upfront in pointing out there hasn't been a mental diagnosis performed on Donald Trump, nor have I claimed there was.

To be clear, I only wanted to show I wasn't being a name caller. I said the same thing the psychiatrists said, that he shows all the traits or symptoms of a Malignant Narcissist. My information came from a website for victims and how to tell if you're dealing with a Malignant Narcissist.
 
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I agree with Vivek Ramaswamy. It is not democrat or republican anymore,really. It is the "managerial class" That don't trust the people to vote. Dick, liz Cheny types, on republican side, and RFK, Tulsi Gabbard et. Democrat side.
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"Vivek Ramaswamy often discusses the divide between the managerial class and everyday citizens. He explores this topic in various podcasts and interviews, such as his conversation with Michael Lind on "The TRUTH Podcast"1. They delve into how the managerial class, often defined by higher education and corporate roles, contrasts with the broader population in terms of power and influence12.
Ramaswamy argues that this divide is one of the most significant issues of our time, affecting various aspects of society3. He believes that addressing this divide is crucial for creating a more equitable and democratic society2.


 
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Ahh yes. Shroedinger's diagnoses.
Better than medical diagnosis being done by randos on the internet, right?

That's the cool thing. A psychopath isn't a psychopath until an official diagnoses.
That's science for ya! Anything else is misinformation, or "repeating false claims".

Well, what do you want me to do other than subscribe to what I hear on the news about how only a person licensed by the government can truthfully tell me about someone's health?

That's how mental health works I guess.
Welcome to a world where only government-approved people have a voice that should be listened to.
 
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Better than medical diagnosis being done by randos on the internet, right?
He's demonstrating the behaviours whether he's diagnosed or not.

Enough that more than a few psychologists have made those connections and suggested those as possible diagnoses.

That's science for ya! Anything else is misinformation, or "repeating false claims".
He's demonstrating the behaviours whether he's diagnosed or not.


Well, what do you want me to do other than subscribe to what I hear on the news about how only a person licensed by the government can truthfully tell me about someone's health
After months and years of diagnosing Biden with Dementia, suddenly right wingers only listen to "doctors". Pulease.


Welcome to a world where only government-approved people have a voice that should be listened to.
People are smarter than you and know more than you on certain topics. Deal with it. I have. Mental health is something I am fairly well versed in but I know enough to trust trained psychologists.

I'm sure you'd trust trump over pretty much any actual expert on anything...though I'm happy to be wrong.
 
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Anybody can spot a Malignant Narcissist. how to spot a malignant narcissist

Maybe in your own mind you think nobody can without a license.
The person who wrote that article got all their education from San Diego State University, which is not known for conservative views. I view her viewpoint as being suspect. Plus, you cited an internet source, which is not scientific.
Labeling Trump with a derogatory label that can only be scientifically applied by a government-licensed expert on spreads misinformation and slander. Better to operate from grace rather than negative prejudice.
 
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He's demonstrating the behaviours whether he's diagnosed or not.

Enough that more than a few psychologists have made those connections and suggested those as possible diagnoses.
None with credentials are here.

He's demonstrating the behaviours whether he's diagnosed or not.
According to who? People who claim Trump to be guilty of things whether he's been convicted of them or not?

After months and years of diagnosing Biden with Dementia, suddenly right wingers only listen to "doctors". Pulease.
After those same months and years of being told Biden is "full of energy and sharp as a tack", suddenly Left wingers.....well, you get the idea.

People are smarter than you and know more than you on certain topics. Deal with it. I have. Mental health is something I am fairly well versed in but I know enough to trust trained psychologists.
Let the trained psychologists show their credentials here.

I'm sure you'd trust trump over pretty much any actual expert on anything...though I'm happy to be wrong.
He speaks about political things, which he has already shown knowledge of by actually being president for 4 years.
 
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To be fair, sometimes the victims of those people are the last to recognize the diagnoses.
"Victims" who understand that a diagnoses hasn't actually been made, unless randos on the internet are somehow to be considered doctors as long as they are commenting on medical issues.
 
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Of course. Historically, some anti-fascists were anarchists or anarcho-syndicalists.
 
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None with credentials are here.
So? The world is bigger, and FAR better informed, than Christian Forums.
According to who?
According to his behaviours. What do you mean?

Or are you the kind of person who justifies poor behaviours in people so long as you agree with them?


After those same months and years of being told Biden is "full of energy and sharp as a tack", suddenly Left wingers.....well, you get the idea.
Show me the healthcare professionals who agreed with your diagnoses....


Let the trained psychologists show their credentials here.
John Gartener
Malignant Narcissism: Does the President Really Have It? – High Conflict Institute

And now that we are seeing "significant distress" (this has been reported in 1 to 1 interactions but is becoming MORE visible on social media) so I'm not totally sure the "Some say no" guy's argument is as strong (article is a bit old too). Regardless, even the "no" guy does not think much of Trump's behaviour.

It's interesting, as I read more and more people both supportive and critical of the idea that Trump has mental illness: There is one consistency between BOTH groups. They both say he displays many of the traits of NPD and both groups indicate Trump is not a president for a healthy democracy. Nobody sees his traits as overly admirable, healthy, or well adjusted.
He speaks about political things, which he has already shown knowledge of by actually being president for 4 years.
Pffft. No he doesn't. Not according to experts.

Find me an expert in ANY field that thinks Trump is ACTUALLY a competent and WELL informed president. He took off his protective glasses and looked DIRECTLY AT A solar eclipse. Even a competent gr6 student knows to never ever do that.

Trump is not acceptable despite:
 
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"Victims" who understand that a diagnoses hasn't actually been made, unless randos on the internet are somehow to be considered doctors as long as they are commenting on medical issues.
A diagnoses isn't a requirement to victimize people.
 
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