Stop Believing in Evolution

[Caedmon]

"So if someone asks, "Do you believe in evolution," they are framing it wrong. That's like asking, "Do you believe in blue?"..."

Why you should stop believing in evolution - The Week

 

[ChesterKhan]

As someone who buys theistic evolution, and who agrees with the facts presented in this article, I think this article is missing the point.

Christians who believe evolution is a lie are not doing so based on a scientist's authority. Would that they would, for even the Pope is willing to admit science's credit where it is due.

No, for the creationist, the question of our origins depends on one of two sources: their pastor's interpretation of the Bible, or their own. Science plays no role in it because they are not behaving rationally. Many Christians have espoused the heresy of fideism - the idea that we cannot really know anything but what comes from the mouth of God.

Fideism is the enemy of real faith - which is trust not only in God, but in the five senses that lead us to know Him. How would you know the Gospel, if no one had preached it to you? How would you know the love of God, if not for hearing it, and seeing it in the crucifix? You may have a harrowing like the harrowing of Hell. But it is the job of Christians to make sure it does not come to that - and preaching comes by hearing, speaking, and seeing.

 

[StRestlessHeart333]

I never believed in Evolution. To believe in something it has to be unexplainable. But you can't say I believe in Science. It does not make any sense. Science is explained either you agree or not. I agree with a lot of things in science. But science can go so far, then comes God, and this will never change.

I agree with some of the Theories in Evolution. I think there is a possibility. But some of what is said in this article is just a stretch!

 

[gurneyhalleck1]

I'm never hopeful about evolution threads. In TAW we have had nothing but negatives come out of these topics. My experience is that it's quite rare for someone to change their mind on this topic. I'm a rarity as I used to fervently believe in evolution, but upon my conversion to Orthodoxy and really looking into it, I came to see that evolution of any kind, theistic or otherwise, from an Orthodox point of view are really incompatible with the Fathers. I know Catholicism allows for it, and Orthodoxy has no real position on it, but the general sentiment in Orthodoxy through the lens of the Fathers and Holy Tradition as well as our understanding of the Creation and humanity's relationship to God in conjunction with the Fall is overall that evolution is 100% incompatible. And I think looking theologically into the matter, it truly is a bad theory and doesn't fit the Christian vision of man.

 

[dpadre]

Evolution is intresting. Doesn't Creation have to come first? Something out of nothing that evolves. I will be checking back later so see what this thread turns in to and how people think.

 

[Azureknight 773]

I am an Evolutionist on the context of societal changes, environmental alterations, cosmic bodies formation, and spiritual evolution from being blank to something filled, like a glass to be filled with water but as for biology, I am a Creationist. I abhor the Biological Evolution on the context that it is unscientific by virtue of Genetics, Energy Conservation Laws, Archaeology, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. All of these if you look at them closely can you see that Biological Evolution from on animal to another is utterly absurd.

 

[David Waffen]

I am an Evolutionist on the context of societal changes, environmental alterations, cosmic bodies formation, and spiritual evolution from being blank to something filled, like a glass to be filled with water but as for biology, I am a Creationist. I abhor the Biological Evolution on the context that it is unscientific by virtue of Genetics, Energy Conservation Laws, Archaeology, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics. All of these if you look at them closely can you see that Biological Evolution from on animal to another is utterly absurd.

I know! Science is full of liars!

 

[ChesterKhan]

Evolution is intresting. Doesn't Creation have to come first? Something out of nothing that evolves. I will be checking back later so see what this thread turns in to and how people think.

No, you're right. God had to create something before evolution could begin. And nothing says He didn't intervene in the mean time.

Also, here's an idea: what if angels are responsible for maintaining the laws of nature? If I recall correctly, Aquinas thought that plausible. I do, too. I don't think it necessarily explains causality, but I like the thought. Like a rowing team rowing in unison. Or an assembly line.

 

[Azureknight 773]

I know! Science is full of liars!

Nay! Science is a physical discipline of the accumulation of data from physical known universe. Same said science happens to be deeply connected to The Holy Catholic Church as the majority of its founders happens to be churchmen of God.

Read this article from wikipedia:
Catholic Church and science - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Like how Louis Pasteur, Isaac Newton, Father Gregor Mendel, Nicholaus Copernicus, etc. happen to be theists and true men of science. It wasn't until science was "hijacked" by non-thiestic scientists that have crept their influence through their well articulated expositions. Frankly speaking, I happen to be a fan of scientific shows with the disciplines like astronomy, physics, chemistry, and biology and I love em! However, these have been infiltrated by those that attempts to persuade the folks watching their shows, especially that anti-religious science show called "Cosmos" both the old Carl Sagan show and the new Niel deGrasse Tyson show. These shows do inspire a lot of people to believe in these shows, and despite my leaning to science as I happen to be a man of both Faith and Science, I still retain my strong faith in God.

Spoiler alert! Science is like the Marvel Cinematic Universe S.H.I.E.L.D. A super secret yet benevolent spy organization made to protect the people and from him/herself. Out of its founders were really, really, really sincere people of goodwill, the good super secret spy organization was infiltrated by its enemy, H.Y.D.R.A. From the highest World Security Council and Alpha Level to the lowest ranking agents. It was like having a cancer and was destroyed from within with H.Y.D.R.A. gaining EVERYTHING from the good organization. This time, S.H.I.E.L.D. is undergoing a revival from scratch through real good men.

This is probably the best simile that I could possibly give. Science is the application of wisdom through in-depth rational, analytical and thorough empiricism. It is made to explore The Creator's manifold handiworks through its intentions but it was turned into a weapon against Him and His super scrutinizing people by those that reject Him. They even had a smoothly-made exposition fleet in words by mouth, papers, and digital mediums. Such is a blasphemy and desecration of super epic proportions due to the extent of damage caused. Like how it was made to battle He who even used it even prior to time. Like designing the whole universe in careful geometric scalings. Like how He made every biological compounds, life, and their macro forms, like how each varied from one to another, that even microorganisms are separated from each other by their morphology. The viruses too shall declare His wonders! The bacterias, the fungi, the protozoans, the helminths, and Even down to the elements themselves! The stars, the moons, the planets, the comets, the black holes, the quasars, the asteroids, the meteors and every single thing that fills the cosmos through His immense knowledge too shall declare His wonders! How much more will it be when we humans, given a distinct honor in His presence? A group of creatures nde in His own Image and Likeness? We are the ultimate byproduct of the Creator's physical Creation and by extention, the spiritual aspect of it. Do I need to say more?

 

[Gwendolyn]

Considering that evolution is a fact, this article is silly.

The debate is whether macro evolution is "real". Micro evolution is visible in our everyday lives, as is sexual selection. It is species-to-species evolution that people have a problem with.

 

[Azureknight 773]

Considering that evolution is a fact, this article is silly.

Only on the context of societal change, languages, heavenly bodies, and the progression of the soul/ spirit. Biological evolution is simply an exaggerated claim to be true despite being only a theory. No offense though... I am just sayin'.

 

[Antigone]

Only on the context of societal change, languages, heavenly bodies, and the progression of the soul/ spirit. Biological evolution is simply an exaggerated claim to be true despite being only a theory. No offense though... I am just sayin'.

You are confusing a theoretical situation with a scientific theory.

Evolution is no more theoretical than gravity. We know it exists. Nobody who isn't a YEC/OEC disputes that (unlike, say, Superstring Theory, which IS disputed and theoretical).

Scientific theories operate on the basis that they need to be disproved to be considered false. The theory of evolution has not been disproved yet and thus, it still stands.

 

[Root of Jesse]

I think that, just as the universe proceeded from the Big Bang, some sort of procession of life happened as well. I don't think Science has done the leg-work to show how. But I believe there is a how, and as one person said, the fact is that God started it.

 

[bill5]

Scientific theories operate on the basis that they need to be disproved to be considered false.

Sorry, no. It's like the old adage "you can't prove a negative." Scientific theories are generally considered fact when enough evidence/proof beyond any reasonable doubt is obtained. And there is only a mountain of evidence for evolution, so IMO the idea that it's (generally) wrong is ridiculous. There are examples in the article how man himself has caused "mini-evolutions" on his own (eg dogs breeds).

Also IMO it's equally silly to think that creation and evolution are mutually exclusive. God is the who/why that set it all into motion; evolution and the other sciences simply explain the "how" and other details of it.

 

[Chrystal-J]

I never believed in Evolution. To believe in something it has to be unexplainable. But you can't say I believe in Science. It does not make any sense. Science is explained either you agree or not. I agree with a lot of things in science. But science can go so far, then comes God, and this will never change.

I agree. There is a new religion of Science in which man worships his own reasoning. I feel that man was made in God's image (as it says in the bible), not in the image of a monkey or fish.

 

[Gwendolyn]

Only on the context of societal change, languages, heavenly bodies, and the progression of the soul/ spirit. Biological evolution is simply an exaggerated claim to be true despite being only a theory. No offense though... I am just sayin'.

I was talking about things like: diseases evolving to evade treatments (antibiotics, viruses), creating new dog breeds through sexual selection, etc. That isn't hypothetical. That is real, tangible evidence of evolution in our daily lives. Microevolution. That is how you can get the flu every year - the virus evolves and changes to evade treatment and breach immune systems. Immunology is all about evolution.

Like I said, religious people take issue with macro evolution, or species-into-species evolution. Only a very ignorant, uneducated person would claim micro evolution does not exist.

 

[WisdomTree]

Scientific theories operate on the basis that they need to be disproved to be considered false. The theory of evolution has not been disproved yet and thus, it still stands.

To expand on this, in science (through the lens of a philosopher), nothing can be proven, only be given evidence towards. So for any kind of scientific hypotheses to become upgraded to that of a theory, it needs a whole load of evidence without being falsified to attain that status. As such, it is only second to a theorem (which I'm sure can only exist in mathematics) in terms of authority that a scientific theory has.

Thus, the theory of evolution stands on equal basis to the theory of relativity and the big ban theory (though biology being all mushy, is somewhat secondary to that of the physical sciences).

 

[Antigone]

Sorry, no. It's like the old adage "you can't prove a negative." Scientific theories are generally considered fact when enough evidence/proof beyond any reasonable doubt is obtained.

Well, that's what falsification is: you try to disprove something. You have a theory and you line up all the evidence against it to see if it adds up. If it doesn't contradict your theory, you move on to the next bit of evidence, and so forth. That's falsification.

 

[Azureknight 773]

I was talking about things like: diseases evolving to evade treatments (antibiotics, viruses), creating new dog breeds through sexual selection, etc. That isn't hypothetical. That is real, tangible evidence of evolution in our daily lives. Microevolution. That is how you can get the flu every year - the virus evolves and changes to evade treatment and breach immune systems. Immunology is all about evolution.

Like I said, religious people take issue with macro evolution, or species-into-species evolution. Only a very ignorant, uneducated person would claim micro evolution does not exist.

Oh! Sorry!

Yes indeed, that is because it is their ability to adapt, like we who were for example, some people of the tropics going to the desert countries to work. Same said people got some hard time with the heat but then managed to overcome it and vice versa.

Those "micro evolutions" still produced the same animal, a dog but when man came from earlier precursors... That is another story. I mean if evolution did take place, then those other hominids like apes and chimps would've rivaled us in terms of technology but nay. Did we see a dog giving birth to a rabbit? An armadillo with a kangaroo? An eagle with a snake? A heron with a bull? Nope! Only if we live in a world filled fantasy an magical phantasms can this ever happen. Science even said explicitly that like begets like.

With all of these Evolution Theory going on and on with its claims that we came from a long line of particles, simple microbial life forms, up to the creatures we are now and when itself says that it is science, I am not sure whether I am still reading things of science here. I mean sure that it may seem pretty convincing, but what the heck freaking theory?

Argument:
- Science believes that a creature say a fish came or born from the same organism from whence it was reproduced.

- The Theory of Evolution claims that contemporary creatures, creatures of now came from earlier yet not the same creature by which reproduced it in an extremely long periods of time through positive genetic alterations. Say, a fish came from worm-like or bacterial creature due.

- TToE claims that it is science due to elaborate expositions that it presents.

- TToE denies science's belief.

- Anything that denies one fact of the truth is false.

- Since TToE denies science's facts, .: it is false.

 

[Azureknight 773]

Well, that's what falsification is: you try to disprove something. You have a theory and you line up all the evidence against it to see if it adds up. If it doesn't contradict your theory, you move on to the next bit of evidence, and so forth. That's falsification.

Biology class confirms design - creation.com