Stiff necked?????

[Meowzltov]

Have you ever taken affront at someone's hypocrisy? The way they point a finger at you as way of not seeing their own flaws????

It really bugs me when people say "You are a sinner," instead of "we are sinners." It's perfectly okay for God to call me a sinner. But it is chutzpah for someone else to imagine they speak for God instead of as a fellow sinner across the table.

In the same respect, far be it from me to criticize the almiighty for calling us Jews stiff necked. Yet when Gentile Christians call Jews stiff necked, I can't help but feel it arises from a need to put us "back into our place" (meaning reduce us from our status as a priestly nation, God's chosen people). It is not spoken in love. It is anger, even if it is unconscious, with the Bible used as an excuse. "They are the has beens, and we are now God's favorites." Io other words, it stems from a position of jealousy. It is, at the root of it, a subtle form of anti-Semitism in my book, and Christians need to knock it off.

ALL OF US, Gentile and Jew, have a Yetzer Hara. ALL OF US have problems with pride, Gentile and Jew. We are in the same boat when it comes to sin.

 

[eleos1954]

Have you ever taken affront at someone's hypocrisy? The way they point a finger at you as way of not seeing their own flaws????

It really bugs me when people say "You are a sinner," instead of "we are sinners." It's perfectly okay for God to call me a sinner. But it is chutzpah for someone else to imagine they speak for God instead of as a fellow sinner across the table.

In the same respect, far be it from me to criticize the almiighty for calling us Jews stiff necked. Yet when Gentile Christians call Jews stiff necked, I can't help but feel it arises from a need to put us "back into our place" (meaning reduce us from our status as a priestly nation, God's chosen people). It is not spoken in love. It is anger, even if it is unconscious, with the Bible used as an excuse. "They are the has beens, and we are now God's favorites." Io other words, it stems from a position of jealousy. It is, at the root of it, a subtle form of anti-Semitism in my book, and Christians need to knock it off.

ALL OF US, Gentile and Jew, have a Yetzer Hara. ALL OF US have problems with pride, Gentile and Jew. We are in the same boat when it comes to sin.

Romans 3:9

What then? Are we any better? Not at all. For we have already made the charge that Jews and Greeks alike are all under sin.

 

[Chris V++]

I''m grateful as a gentile to have had the opportunity to be 'grafted in.' and that the promises are extended 'first to the Jew.' I agree about the jealousy comment, and in some cases contempt for 'betraying our savior.'

 

[ChavaK]

To be honest, I don't really think about it. I don't live my life centered around sin, I don't dwell on it. I live my life observing the mitzvot as best I can. When I fall short, I'm sure G-d understands. No one is perfect. I don't really worry about people who are hypocrites. I figure it is their problem, not mine.

 

[mark kennedy]

Have you ever taken affront at someone's hypocrisy? The way they point a finger at you as way of not seeing their own flaws????

It really bugs me when people say "You are a sinner," instead of "we are sinners." It's perfectly okay for God to call me a sinner. But it is chutzpah for someone else to imagine they speak for God instead of as a fellow sinner across the table.

In the same respect, far be it from me to criticize the almiighty for calling us Jews stiff necked. Yet when Gentile Christians call Jews stiff necked, I can't help but feel it arises from a need to put us "back into our place" (meaning reduce us from our status as a priestly nation, God's chosen people). It is not spoken in love. It is anger, even if it is unconscious, with the Bible used as an excuse. "They are the has beens, and we are now God's favorites." Io other words, it stems from a position of jealousy. It is, at the root of it, a subtle form of anti-Semitism in my book, and Christians need to knock it off.

ALL OF US, Gentile and Jew, have a Yetzer Hara. ALL OF US have problems with pride, Gentile and Jew. We are in the same boat when it comes to sin.

That's not a specia l revelation, that's basic Christ i an conviction. You rea l ize your a sinner or the gospel soes you no good.

 

[Meowzltov]

To be honest, I don't really think about it. I don't live my life centered around sin, I don't dwell on it. I live my life observing the mitzvot as best I can. When I fall short, I'm sure G-d understands. No one is perfect. I don't really worry about people who are hypocrites. I figure it is their problem, not mine.

How does it personally make you feel when Christians characterize Jews as the stiffnecked people?

 

[ChavaK]

How does it personally make you feel when Christians characterize Jews as the stiffnecked people?

It doesn't really bother me as I don't care what they think. However, if I were to feel anything, I think it would be "proud". Stiffnecked to me means "stubborn" which means we stick to our beliefs and our traditions. And that's a good thing.

 

[Meowzltov]

It doesn't really bother me as I don't care what they think. However, if I were to feel anything, I think it would be "proud". Stiffnecked to me means "stubborn" which means we stick to our beliefs and our traditions. And that's a good thing.

The term is referring to being a stubborn child aka not obeying God.

 

[ChavaK]

The term is referring to being a stubborn child aka not obeying God.

Again, I have never thought it healthy that Christians seem to spend so much time centered around sin. How many times do you hear Jews calling each other "sinners"?
As far as them calling us stiff necked, it does not bother me simply because their opinions of me/Jews/Judaism do not matter. They are a not a big part of my life, and what they think is not important. And I could also point out that they are stiff necked in their own way, having drifted away from the what the Hebrew bible says, and accepted foreign beliefs nowhere to be found in it.
I guess I'm old enough that I finally learned that the opinions of those who are not important to my life just do not matter

 

[paul becke]

Have you ever taken affront at someone's hypocrisy? The way they point a finger at you as way of not seeing their own flaws????

It really bugs me when people say "You are a sinner," instead of "we are sinners." It's perfectly okay for God to call me a sinner. But it is chutzpah for someone else to imagine they speak for God instead of as a fellow sinner across the table.

In the same respect, far be it from me to criticize the almiighty for calling us Jews stiff necked. Yet when Gentile Christians call Jews stiff necked, I can't help but feel it arises from a need to put us "back into our place" (meaning reduce us from our status as a priestly nation, God's chosen people). It is not spoken in love. It is anger, even if it is unconscious, with the Bible used as an excuse. "They are the has beens, and we are now God's favorites." Io other words, it stems from a position of jealousy. It is, at the root of it, a subtle form of anti-Semitism in my book, and Christians need to knock it off.

ALL OF US, Gentile and Jew, have a Yetzer Hara. ALL OF US have problems with pride, Gentile and Jew. We are in the same boat when it comes to sin.

Stiff-necked ? The Second Person of the Most Holy Trinity is a Jew, and your people are still not happy ???!!! At least, half-kidding.....

 

[paul becke]

I''m grateful as a gentile to have had the opportunity to be 'grafted in.' and that the promises are extended 'first to the Jew.' I agree about the jealousy comment, and in some cases contempt for 'betraying our savior.'

I read that the Jews were chosen for that role as deicides, not because they were worse than the rest of mankind, but quite the opposite, i.e. because they were better than the rest of mankind. And it sure makes sense, since God had spent nearly two millennia training them, and he never repents of his choices.