Stephen Hawking: Artificial intelligence could end human race

[Jeffwhosoever]

Wow. Hawking is only 30 years behind the times.

 

[JustMeSee]

I'm not so sure.

There are about 100 billion neurons in a human brain. if we equate one neuron to one switch then we can say there are a 100 billion switches in the brain. However, I "think" that neurons are not connected serially, that is, neurons connect to each other in a kinda spiderweb sorta fashion. So one neuron can connect to several which connect to several.

However, I'm pretty sure that parallel processing with computers does something similar...

If we use the 100 billion neurons and equate that to 100 billion switches then computers have caught up to us about a decade or so ago (super computers at least).

But its not "just" the number of switches that is the key to intelligence, it is also the active way the human brain learns and grows new neural connections and establishes new neural pathways that equate to a new "learning". Once we figure out how to do that with computers, we will have AI.

And FWIW, we are at the infancy of doing this. Truth be told, we still barely even understand what intelligence is and why we have it... But given the exponential increase in technology, it won't be long relatively speaking. I mean, the first true computer was built in the 40s right? The first human (homo sapien) was born about 200,000 years ago. Thinking of it in timescales like that, you see how far computers have come in so short a time. In fact, they haven't even been around for a century yet and we are on the "thresholds" of creating true AIs.

Interestingly enough, I was just thinking of some bookmaking. When will the first turing test be passed by a computer? That would make a great betting line.

It should be considered that computers are not limited by physical and storage memory. With access, they can do research on the fly. Ask the right questions get the wrong answer, try again. Ask from other servers around the world with similar software; with mined data. Record successful answers, store and share. Collect data, as accurate as possible about people, places, and things. Mathematics and science.

It is not the question of trying to be an animal brain, just like a brain. Just like eyes, ears, and touch.

Eliza, is it raining outside?
Eliza goes to the window and attempts to evaluate the outside with 'sight'.

Eliza: No, it appears to be overcast, but not raining. Would you like me to check the weather forecast?

Yes,.

Eliza: I may have been incorrect. Would you like me to go outside to check if it is raining here?

A baby step.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

?? does anyone really think this??
every day, robots and weaponic robits and things that defy description are killing people. every day, all over the world, as we type these words.

and it is getting worse, not better, and will continue getting much much worse much much faster until Jesus returns, exactly as it is written in Torah(Scripture).

and men don't care. they have built the dmdd things(with demonic help possibly).
men who are leaders in politics, science, religion, economics, sociology(ICK!), seyekology(SICK!), everywhere are motivated by
greed, and don't care(no matter what they say) about human life or truth.

Chill out, folks, the three laws of robotics have this covered.
1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.
See? We're good.

you do know that no nation at war agrees with any of these 3, nor have any of the 3 been implemented nor enforced or even attempted to be enforced, right? (i was a programmer for the government way too long, and an employee of the world's largest killer for almost a decade..... nothing is even close to being what you said except on tv, and they don't want it to be either - everything was designed to kill, steal and destroy)

 

[SuperCloud]

It should be considered that computers are not limited by physical and storage memory.

I'm the furthest thing from a mathematician or computer scientists (these areas of study intersect through the use of mathematical algorithms) and I'm certainly no physicists. So, I'm not quite understanding you here, by your use of the word "physical" (being cognizant of the material composition of computers) unless you're meaning the abstract, non-material, algorithms?

But all matter is physical and computers and every component in them are made up of elements from the periodic table, so, in that case computers are limited physically.

God is not limited physically. Angels and saints (saints do not need hearts, blood, brains to live) are not limited to and restricted by the physical world by the laws of chemistry and physics that ensure their limitations.

If you die and go onto to live without a physical body then you will surpass anything AI can ever do or be.

you do know that no nation at war agrees with any of these 3, nor have any of the 3 been implemented nor enforced or even attempted to be enforced, right? (i was a programmer for the government way too long, and an employee of the world's largest killer for almost a decade..... nothing is even close to being what you said except on tv, and they don't want it to be either - everything was designed to kill, steal and destroy)

Seashale was making references to the sci-fi movie Automata, yeshuaslave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_wmaOZcWo

 

[SuperCloud]

From one fertilized human egg all aspects of the human person will emerge--no AI needed--these cells will differentiate and specialize to form every tissue/organ in the human body. Some of those cells will differentiate into and specialize as the unique cells that make up the beating heart of an individual. The human brain (or what AI wants to be or is assumed analogues to--even though its really not analogous to a human brain) is not need during conception and all the process the zygote goes through with cellular differentiation.

Stephen Hawking who can't figure out how to get himself up to walk and play basketball thinks I should be in more awe of a computer in a 2014 year-model car than reproductive processes of human beings and all the constant human births?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-QxxJOxK7U

I get it. According to the story atheists have written up to explain the genesis of the universe and all life in the universe, it all comes down to mathematical algorithms. So, why shouldn't any AI driven computer or biotech be any different from the cells that make up a flower or a cat or be any different than any individual organism on earth. And AI should eventually become God or gods and parallel the Intelligent Designer religious people venerate.

According to them.

Ironic that in the end atheists come full circle to a belief in a future Intelligent Designer surpassing the universe and beyond its limitations that can produce "miracles."

Religious people say we don't have to wait for that great mind, the great intelligence, to be born as that God already exists. The atheists says, "Prove it! as I'm more impressed by a car battery and my cell phone with internet connection that cardiomyocytes."

 

[seashale76]

?? does anyone really think this??
every day, robots and weaponic robits and things that defy description are killing people. every day, all over the world, as we type these words.

and it is getting worse, not better, and will continue getting much much worse much much faster until Jesus returns, exactly as it is written in Torah(Scripture).

and men don't care. they have built the dmdd things(with demonic help possibly).
men who are leaders in politics, science, religion, economics, sociology(ICK!), seyekology(SICK!), everywhere are motivated by
greed, and don't care(no matter what they say) about human life or truth.


you do know that no nation at war agrees with any of these 3, nor have any of the 3 been implemented nor enforced or even attempted to be enforced, right? (i was a programmer for the government way too long, and an employee of the world's largest killer for almost a decade..... nothing is even close to being what you said except on tv, and they don't want it to be either - everything was designed to kill, steal and destroy)

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This is you:
The arrow above you is the reference flying over your head.

Sci-fi author- Isaac Asimov- Foundation series. Look it up. Read them. Get the reference.

 

[seashale76]

Seashale was making references to the sci-fi movie Automata, yeshuaslave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_wmaOZcWo

Actually, I've never seen it (or heard of this). However, if the movie is based off Asmiov's writings, then I'll roll with it.

ETA- looked it up. The movie was heavily inspired by Asimov- but it isn't Asimov. Not the same laws.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

oh, it was on stark wreck long ago, and other sci fi flicks....

but it is so insidious, the reason was to acclimate people to it without them ever realizing the dangers.... and a lot of people use their cell phones today without ever finding out..... etc etc etc

so, the arrow , while appreciated, .... well, .... beware of what and who you've trusted in the past... it is a dangerous, perverse and deadly group on earth...

 

[seashale76]

oh, it was on stark wreck long ago, and other sci fi flicks....

but it is so insidious, the reason was to acclimate people to it without them ever realizing the dangers.... and a lot of people use their cell phones today without ever finding out..... etc etc etc

so, the arrow , while appreciated, .... well, .... beware of what and who you've trusted in the past... it is a dangerous, perverse and deadly group on earth...

It's obvious you don't know anything about the series to even comment on them. Trying reading the books and then get back to me. The whole point is being wary of technology. Again- read the books and then comment.

 

[JustMeSee]

I'm the furthest thing from a mathematician or computer scientists (these areas of study intersect through the use of mathematical algorithms) and I'm certainly no physicists. So, I'm not quite understanding you here, by your use of the word "physical" (being cognizant of the material composition of computers) unless you're meaning the abstract, non-material, algorithms?

But all matter is physical and computers and every component in them are made up of elements from the periodic table, so, in that case computers are limited physically.

God is not limited physically. Angels and saints (saints do not need hearts, blood, brains to live) are not limited to and restricted by the physical world by the laws of chemistry and physics that ensure their limitations.

If you die and go onto to live without a physical body then you will surpass anything AI can ever do or be.

Seashale was making references to the sci-fi movie Automata, yeshuaslave.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_wmaOZcWo

A computer has one or more memory cards. This is considered physical memory. 1,2,4,8,16 gigabytes of extremely fast, pinpoint catalogue of zeros and ones, electric charge or absent there of.

Cache memory is even faster memory data access. Very expensive, very small, but incredibly fast.

Storage memory are things like a 3.5, 5.35 disc you used to put in your computer to read and write zeros and ones, electric charges.

CD's, DVD s, and Blu Ray kind of took the place of floppy disks. Repeated hill an valleys around a circle. Storage memory.

Cylinder are storage memory, a disk spinning. Selling now in sizes into the Terra bytes. Solid state drives are also physical storage. Ones and zeros. Binary.

Computers can share information near and far. Physical memory, at this point, is almost always in your device.

Huh? I am confused about your invocation of your god into the question. Thank Turing.

 

[JustMeSee]

Physical memory
http://www.cisco.com/c/dam/en/us/td...500/18005.ps/jcr:content/renditions/18005.jpg

 

[Supreme]

Expert opinion is the lowest and least reliable form of academic evidence... all those who trust Dr Hawkins at his word, take note.

Nonetheless, he does have a point. It's surely a scary possibility that AI could at some point be developed that, in the manner of Terminator, feels threatened by its human creators and strikes out to destroy us. However, remember that most machines we have just don't have the ability to harm us- I don't think we'll develop AI in the form of giant metal men invulnerable to bullets and explosives any time soon.

In the mean time, however, we can continue to reap the rewards that technology is giving us every year in the fields of medicine, physics, engineering, aviation, astronomy, historical discoveries, educational tools, and of course, the massive military business.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

i guess you missed it. the whole point is to be wary of technology - and mankind using it against men. (as is done by mankind against members right here and now today --- yet who is aware ? ! )

It's obvious you don't know anything about the series to even comment on them. Trying reading the books and then get back to me. The whole point is being wary of technology. Again- read the books and then comment.

 

[seashale76]

i guess you missed it. the whole point is to be wary of technology - and mankind using it against men. (as is done by mankind against members right here and now today --- yet who is aware ? ! )

Jeff- you're not making any sense to me.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

maybe good, as that's what i think a lot of people call the first stage - de nile .
not the river.

Jeff- you're not making any sense to me.

 

[seashale76]

maybe good, as that's what i think a lot of people call the first stage - de nile .
not the river.

Seriously, we're having two different conversations. I read and write in English, btw. I'm quite good at it and I have mad comprehension skills.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

ss76 : it's not education that's needed.
when it's time, as Yhvh decides it, you may know and understand.
like a garden that's been planted, only God can see the growth, or even give it. we can't dig it up and look at it nor investigate it , nor even comprehend how He does what He does.

so, for now, until (when and if)He removes the wet blanket that someone else tossed over the brain, heart, or spirit, we go on without knowing. trust Yhvh though, as He always knows perfectly.

pray constantly to Him. daily life depends on Him.

Expert opinion is the lowest and least reliable form of academic evidence... ........

 

[Smidlee]

I thought 'no' would suffice.
The doctor was referring to the present and possible future.
AI is currently far superior than learning a old task, such at winning or stale mating at chess. It is not limited to code in a box. It is all around us.
Software can extremely isolate facial expressions and learn to recognize people.

AI can learn by mistake and make corrections. Conceivably, computers will have software that can create new software based on life world experiences. Things will get incredibly complex. While software is inferior to the brain, it can be incredibly fast.

My phone learns from my texts. My phone anticipates what I want to do or write next, largely from my personal use.

As time passes and the Internet gathers data, software will be capable of nearly thinking. Simulating how the brain works. Artificial adaptation. Real power to modify and create software with no continued assistance for a programmer. It is not going to be as simple as playing chess.

A computer plays chess like an automated car-wash washes cars. The next time you drive your car into that "box" watch how the machine washes your car. Do you wash your car like that?

I'm not so sure.

There are about 100 billion neurons in a human brain. if we equate one neuron to one switch then we can say there are a 100 billion switches in the brain. However, I "think" that neurons are not connected serially, that is, neurons connect to each other in a kinda spiderweb sorta fashion. So one neuron can connect to several which connect to several.
.

http://www.cnet.com/news/human-brain-has-more-switches-than-all-computers-on-earth/

"The human brain is truly awesome.
A typical, healthy one houses some 200 billion nerve cells, which are connected to one another via hundreds of trillions of synapses. Each synapse functions like a microprocessor, and tens of thousands of them can connect a single neuron to other nerve cells. In the cerebral cortex alone, there are roughly 125 trillion synapses, which is about how many stars fill 1,500 Milky Way galaxies.

We are no where close of creating an AI that can compete with the human brain.

 

[SuperCloud]

Actually, I've never seen it (or heard of this). However, if the movie is based off Asmiov's writings, then I'll roll with it.

ETA- looked it up. The movie was heavily inspired by Asimov- but it isn't Asimov. Not the same laws.

Never heard of Asmiov. But then, I don't read sci-fi either.

I thought the laws you gave for robots in your earlier post were the 3 laws repeated in the movie Automata? Maybe not. But this Asmiov must be pretty popular if this Hollywood movie was inspired from his or hers books.

1. A robot may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. A robot must obey the orders given to it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

 

[SuperCloud]

A computer plays chess like an automated car-wash washes cars. The next time you drive your car into that "box" watch how the machine washes your car. Do you wash your car like that?

Human brain has more switches than all computers on Earth - CNET

"The human brain is truly awesome.
A typical, healthy one houses some 200 billion nerve cells, which are connected to one another via hundreds of trillions of synapses. Each synapse functions like a microprocessor, and tens of thousands of them can connect a single neuron to other nerve cells. In the cerebral cortex alone, there are roughly 125 trillion synapses, which is about how many stars fill 1,500 Milky Way galaxies.

We are no where close of creating an AI that can compete with the human brain.

Yo, son, that's mad complex. Hey, Smidlee, interesting link and I much more enjoyed looking at that video of the mouse's cortex than that drawing or image JustMeSee linked up of physical memory (not sure what that was about other than meant as a visual image insinuating all memory a person has is restricted to their physical brain, ergo, no memory [or person] exists after death).

JustMeSee, I'm saying humans are Intelligent Designers (so are beavers and ants). The greatest Intelligent Designers religious people say is God (or gods). And the characteristics religious people give God (or gods) are the same characteristics atheists give AI in the future--except religious people like Christians, Jews, and Muslims say that God was never created nor given birth too.

AI will create new planets, and AI will even create a new universe one day, because that's how smart AI can become. Therefore, I'm saying, AI becomes the atheists superior Intelligent Designer, atheist's God or gods.

This in part because atheists tend to be more enamored with their own intelligence and ability to be Intelligent Designers (creators) than with the intelligence of the Divine Creator.

But atheists and religious people alike all like sitting crossed leg at fire side, swapping stories about the very near coming end of the world. That and how our world will never end due to future technological and scientific advances and how we'll be square dancing with four legged aliens and all living in peace. So, they like to tell two very contradictory stories. I can't tell if the world is ending in two decades or if "religion will come to an end" because we'll be "chopping it up" with Murph the happy alien all his enlightened and cool homies from planet goof ball.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jziqfFp9Rq0