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Stem Cell Research

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Pro stem cell research up to a point. Took me ages to get to this point.

Full support for adult stem cells research, some support for embyonic stem cell research - for really hard cases. IE - for making vital organs, saving lives etc.

I dont support all of it for moral and ethical reasons.
 
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Hi all!

I include the following statement as being indicative of the orthodox Jewish position:

May 19, 2005

Orthodox Jewish Leaders Call on U.S. House to Support Stem Cell Funding Bill; Castle-Degette Bill Consistent with Jewish Teaching

In advance of an expected U.S. House of Representatives vote next week on legislation that will allow federal funding for some embryonic stem cell research, the Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, the nation’s largest Orthodox Jewish umbrella organization representing nearly 1,000 synagogues, has written to House members in support of the legislation. The Union letter is in support of H.R. 810, sponsored by Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) and Rep. Diana DeGette (D-Col.) and 200 other sponsors. HR810 will allow public funds to support stem cell research on cells derived from embryos donated to IVF clinics which are in excess of the clinical need of the individuals seeking IVF treatment, and with the prior consultation with and consent of the donors.

Signed by the Union’s executive vice president, Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb, and director of public policy, Nathan J. Diament, the letter states, in pertinent part:

The Jewish tradition places great value upon human life and its preservation. The Torah commands us to treat and cure the ill and to defeat disease wherever possible; to do this is to be the Creator’s partner in safeguarding the created. The traditional Jewish perspective thus emphasizes that the potential to save and heal human lives is an integral part of valuing human life. Moreover, the traditional Jewish perspective does not accord an embryo outside of the womb the full status of humanhood and its attendant protections. Thus, stem cell research may be consistent with and serve these moral and noble goals; however, such research must not be pursued indiscriminately.

H.R. 810 strikes this careful balance. By insisting that publicly funded stem cell research be conducted on cells derived from embryos donated to IVF clinics and were in excess of the clinical need of the individuals seeking IVF treatment, and by requiring the prior consultation with and consent of the donors, the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act serves to value and venerate the sanctity of life and our responsibilities to our fellow man and woman.

Link: http://www.ou.org/public/statements/2005/n10.htm

And the following was in the May 29 Washington Post:

Bush's Jewish Allies Demur on Stem Cells

By Dana Milbank

Sunday, May 29, 2005; Page A04

The fight to fund embryonic stem cell research has opened a fissure of biblical proportions.

When President Bush last week branded as unethical the stem-cell legislation making its way through Congress, he found himself in a dogma dispute with Orthodox Jews, one of his most valuable constituencies.

The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, the umbrella group for the most conservative branch of Judaism, sided with Christian conservatives on the Terri Schiavo case, public displays of the Ten Commandments, opposition to assisted suicide and same-sex marriage, and more federal support for religious charities.

But after the House passed a bill Tuesday endorsing federal funding of embryonic stem cell research, the Orthodox group applauded. The "potential to save and heal human lives is an integral part of valuing human life," it said. "Moreover, the traditional Jewish perspective does not accord an embryo outside of the womb the full status of humanhood and its attendant protections."

That puts the Jews at odds with Bush -- who said the bill "would take us across a critical ethical line by creating new incentives for the ongoing destruction of emerging human life" -- and with House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (R-Tex.), who condemned "the moral catastrophe of means-justifying-the-ends morality." It also conflicted with the Family Research Council, a Christian group that called the bill "unconscionable" and "morally abhorrent."

It was a reminder, as the Jewish group's public policy director, Nathan Diament, wrote in the Forward last year, that "Orthodox Jews are not merely evangelicals who read the Bible right to left."

National Review, a conservative publication that fiercely defends Bush, took an unusual tack; it published an article on its Web site explaining "why Judaism is wrong on stem cells." The article, by Eric Cohen of the Ethics and Public Policy Center, describes the position of the Orthodox rabbis as "morally unconvincing," "irresponsible," "seemingly disingenuous" and "misguided." "Jews," Cohen writes, "seem to have forgotten even the minimal liberal wisdom of tolerance -- the wisdom of not trampling on the moral opinions of their fellow citizens, like pro-life Christians, who believe embryo destruction is not only evil but the gravest evil."

The Jewish group did the Christian thing and turned the other cheek. "We have great respect for the president's view because he bases it on moral principle," Diament said.

DW & I underwent several years of fertility treatment, including 9 IVFs & 2 FETs (that's Frozen Embryo Transfers) before calling it quits (you can whip a dead horse only so long & then it seems kinda pointless). DW has never become pregnant & the doctors here have absolutely no idea why. But we do not complain. God has been good to us beyond measure & has blessed us with 2 marvelous boys, both of whom we adopted (public & closed, that's how it is here; US-style private adoption is illegal here) as infants here in Israel. We still have several frozen ssvsicles in the deepfreeze at one of the Jerusalem hospitals. They, like most of the fertilized embryos that the doctors managed to concoct from my little commandos & DW's eggs, are/were of poor quality & we are inclined to leave them in the deepfreeze until they are no longer viable. (Even the few good quality embryos that we got didn't implant.) Not all frozen embryos are good quality. From what I understand, most are not, partly because the better ones get returned to the mother's body. Thus, I think that the numbers of healthy babies who could be born from the masses of frozen embryos left in deepfreezes is relatively small (very).

As a (very proud :thumbsup:!) adoptive parent, I would strongly suggest that couples looking to adopt a child look, first of all, at the masses of actual, already-born children that are available and who are just crying (many of them literally!) for loving parents & good homes. The Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America statement I cited above says:

...The traditional Jewish perspective thus emphasizes that the potential to save and heal human lives is an integral part of valuing human life. Moreover, the traditional Jewish perspective does not accord an embryo outside of the womb the full status of humanhood and its attendant protections...

I quote from Be Fruitful and Multiply: Fertility Therapy and the Jewish Tradition by Dr. Richard V. Grazi (published by Genesis Jerusalem Press, 1994):

Nontransplanted embryos fertilized artificially in vitro have no standing as fetuses in Jewish law. Former Tel Aviv Chief Sefardi Rabbi David Halevi rules that "all eggs fertilized in vitro have no standing as embryos...and one may discard them if they were not chosen for implantation, as the law of abortion applies only to procedures in the womb...But in vitro, as was said, there is no prohibition at all."

A similar ruling is offered by former Chief Sefardi Rabbi of Israel Mordechai Eliyahu, who writes that, "all fertilized eggs which are destined to be implanted in the mother's womb should not be destroyed, as a live fetus will yet develop from them. But those eggs which have not been chosen for implantation may be discarded." Neither authority offers any detailed analysis of his legal ruling, apparently considering the position to be obvious and noncontroversial from the perspective of Jewish law and ethics. Indeed, Rabbi David J. Bleich has pointed out that...even an aborted fetus in the early stages of gestation does not require a funeral.

Thus, I would argue that saving an actual, already-born life, by adopting it into a loving home, or possibly healing it by using embryonic stem cells, must outweigh saving potential life.

Be well!

ssv :wave:
 
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If I'm not mistaken umbilical cords are all the stem cells we need, we don't have to kill any fetuses. Honestly I don't see what the debate is still about.

But you may be mistaken. At this point, we just do not know if umbilical stem cells will work as well or not.

I am pro stem cell research, of any type, including embryonic. Nobody is suggesting that we conceive children in order to abort them to further this research. There are lots and lots and lots of fertilized ovum left over from fertility treatments that will never, ever be used. Since they will be destroyed anyway, why not use them?
 
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