I was listening to NPR today and they were talking about stem cell research, and that got me to wondering what other people, thought about this topic. I'm all for it and think Bush is hindering research that could save countless lives.
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sc4s2cg said:Are you referring to the killing of a fetus to get a stem cell? Then I'm against it.
Embryonic stem cell research - no. Especially the breeding of embryos for harvesting. Any other type of stem cell research - YES.z3ro said:This is why we have such a problem with stem cell research; lack of information. No one is suggesting killing fetuses to get stem cell. Now, frozen embryos that would otherwise be discarded, there's no reason we can't harvest them for research purposes.
Halitose said:Embryonic stem cell research - no. Especially the breeding of embryos for harvesting. Any other type of stem cell research - YES.
No worries. I understand the diffs between an embryo and a fetus. Here's where the problem lies, its not really a scientific one, but rather an ethical one. Isn't a embryo a very immature human being? All an embryo - I'm gonna jump the gun and say zygote - needs to develop into a mature human being is :MarinoMan said:The problem is that most people think that scientists are killing a fetus that has bones and a heart and brain. Scientests are breeding blastocytes...balls of a about 100 cells.
Eventually, someone would imply that atheists like killing babies, so I figured it may as well be me
Im obviously dis-informed on this subject then (and I admit this, I just recently learned about it). So I have a question..who froze the embryos, why, how is it different from killing one?z3ro said:This is why we have such a problem with stem cell research; lack of information. No one is suggesting killing fetuses to get stem cell. Now, frozen embryos that would otherwise be discarded, there's no reason we can't harvest them for research purposes.
Sperm and eggs are just haploid cells of the parents. No big deal there. Thats like refusing to have your back waxed on ethical grounds.michabo said:Why stop there? Isn't a sperm cell then a very immature human being, as it just needs all of those things and an egg and it will develop into a mature human being?
An egg is pretty small. Surely that shouldn't rule it out once you've allowed that a zygote (which is just a single cell) is "human".
So let me ask you: what exactly is it about this single-celled human that is so worthy of our protection?
sc4s2cg said:Im obviously dis-informed on this subject then (and I admit this, I just recently learned about it). So I have a question..who froze the embryos, why, how is it different from killing one?
MarinoMan said:These blastocytes are lab created and frozen after they achieve around the 100 cell mark. They have no chance at life...that is you consider life starts at conception. I dont.
Sure. That doesn't morally justify it though. Lemme ask a question? Where would you say human life begins?MarinoMan said:The thing is, these zygotes aren't heading for a womb anytime soon.
Halitose said:No worries. I understand the diffs between an embryo and a fetus. Here's where the problem lies, its not really a scientific one, but rather an ethical one. Isn't a embryo a very immature human being? All an embryo - I'm gonna jump the gun and say zygote - needs to develop into a mature human being is :
1. Nutrition
2. Oxygen
3. A womb (be it arteficial)
4. Not be kil... er... discarded.
If an embryo is human are we allowed to kill it or conduct experiments on it?
Halitose said:Sperm and eggs are just haploid cells of the parents. No big deal there. Thats like refusing to have your back waxed on ethical grounds.At conception, the genetic makup of the zygote is that of a new, original human being. The reason why I believe that the zygote is so worthy of protection is two-fold. Sure. They can't yet feel pain, but would you conduct tests on somebody in a coma. Secondly I can't see any other place where you can honestly draw a line, except some arbitrary point such as the 16, 48 cell or 12, 24 week stage.
sc4s2cg said:Im obviously dis-informed on this subject then (and I admit this, I just recently learned about it). So I have a question..who froze the embryos, why, how is it different from killing one?
G-d bless,
sc
Ps.I always get fetus, embyo, zygote confused. Please forgive my ignorance.
Tumor - potential to kill host. Blastocyte - potential to become a unique human being.MarinoMan said:And the creation of a tumor is mutated human DNA...all a tumor is is a block of human cells that are different from the host. All a blastocyte is is block of cells that are (in this case) lab created and have no host.
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