I was listening to NPR today and they were talking about stem cell research, and that got me to wondering what other people, thought about this topic. I'm all for it and think Bush is hindering research that could save countless lives.
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Stem Cell Research
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sc4s2cg said:Are you referring to the killing of a fetus to get a stem cell? Then I'm against it.
This is why we have such a problem with stem cell research; lack of information. No one is suggesting killing fetuses to get stem cell. Now, frozen embryos that would otherwise be discarded, there's no reason we can't harvest them for research purposes.
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Embryonic stem cell research - no. Especially the breeding of embryos for harvesting. Any other type of stem cell research - YES.z3ro said:
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Halitose said:
The problem is that most people think that scientists are killing a fetus that has bones and a heart and brain. Scientests are breeding blastocytes...balls of a about 100 cells.
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No worries. I understand the diffs between an embryo and a fetus. Here's where the problem lies, its not really a scientific one, but rather an ethical one. Isn't a embryo a very immature human being? All an embryo - I'm gonna jump the gun and say zygote - needs to develop into a mature human being is :MarinoMan said:
1. Nutrition
2. Oxygen
3. A womb (be it arteficial)
4. Not be kil... er... discarded.
If an embryo is human are we allowed to kill it or conduct experiments on it?
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Eventually, someone would imply that atheists like killing babies, so I figured it may as well be me
mmmm babies, they are so tasty
I just love a plate of good baby back ribs
I'm for stem cell research. As for the fetus I don't think of it as 'killing' at all, it sounds harsh, but we do much worse to cows, chickens, pigs, etc, and no one blinks an eyelash when eating a hamburger (unless you're a vegetarian of course). Just to put it in a little perspective. It's kinda like 'the Island' "People like hamburgers but that doesn't mean they want to meat the cow" Except, those people WERE thinking, breathing people, not.. undeveloped fetuses.
Granted, I have not fully researched it, and my knowledge is limited to what has been on the news.
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michabo
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Why stop there? Isn't a sperm cell then a very immature human being, as it just needs all of those things and an egg and it will develop into a mature human being?
An egg is pretty small. Surely that shouldn't rule it out once you've allowed that a zygote (which is just a single cell) is "human".
So let me ask you: what exactly is it about this single-celled human that is so worthy of our protection?
An egg is pretty small. Surely that shouldn't rule it out once you've allowed that a zygote (which is just a single cell) is "human".
So let me ask you: what exactly is it about this single-celled human that is so worthy of our protection?
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sc4s2cg
'Cause human tears are older than the rain.
Im obviously dis-informed on this subject then (and I admit this, I just recently learned about it). So I have a question..who froze the embryos, why, how is it different from killing one?z3ro said:
G-d bless,
sc
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I always get fetus, embyo, zygote confused. Please forgive my ignorance.
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Sperm and eggs are just haploid cells of the parents. No big deal there. Thats like refusing to have your back waxed on ethical grounds.michabo said:
At conception, the genetic makup of the zygote is that of a new, original human being. The reason why I believe that the zygote is so worthy of protection is two-fold. Sure. They can't yet feel pain, but would you conduct tests on somebody in a coma. Secondly I can't see any other place where you can honestly draw a line, except some arbitrary point such as the 16, 48 cell or 12, 24 week stage.
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sc4s2cg said:
These blastocytes are lab created and frozen after they achieve around the 100 cell mark. They have no chance at life...that is you consider life starts at conception. I dont.
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They are going to be disposed of anyway--why not find a useful purpose for them?
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Sure. That doesn't morally justify it though. Lemme ask a question? Where would you say human life begins?MarinoMan said:
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Halitose said:
But these are not embryos that would live; scientist get them from people who participate in invetrofertalization. They make many embryos, then implant them till they stick. If not used for stem cell research, they will be disgarded, unwanted by the people who are now pregnant. There is no chance that these embryos would come along without science, and there is no chance they will ever become human beings.
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Halitose said:Sperm and eggs are just haploid cells of the parents. No big deal there. Thats like refusing to have your back waxed on ethical grounds.
And the creation of a tumor is mutated human DNA...all a tumor is is a block of human cells that are different from the host. All a blastocyte is is block of cells that are (in this case) lab created and have no host.
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sc4s2cg said:Im obviously dis-informed on this subject then (and I admit this, I just recently learned about it). So I have a question..who froze the embryos, why, how is it different from killing one?
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My understanding is that when people go to fertility clinics they harvest a bunch of the womans eggs. More than they would use. After all of the eggs are fertilized they seperate out 4 or 5 that are the most viable, those are the ones that they put back in the womb in hopes to get a baby. All of the others (and there are quite a few) are trash. Those are fertilized eggs and therefore, I believe, 'embryo's' but they weren't considered viable and have no womb. They can be used for stem cell research, which can be used to find a cure for alzeimers (sp?), parkinsons and so many others. In the case of Parkinsons, we are within 10 years of a cure (with proper research and development) and once that is done it will be the first domino to drop in finding the cure for other neurological conditions. So, basically, they would take those embryo's from the trash and use them to save lives.
All of the people who complain about this now, will probably happily accept the technology when it can cure them of alzeimers disease.
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Tumor - potential to kill host. Blastocyte - potential to become a unique human being.MarinoMan said:
Big difference.
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