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Here's an interesting post from another SDA forum:

I grew up an SDA and so did my husband. When were young we scraped the table clean of our parents beliefs and one by one we placed the doctrines back on--only after we had studied each one and understood it for ourselves. The result was that we put everything back on within a few weeks except for EGW. We had heard she said this and that all of our lives. We were not convinced she was a prophet so we didn't put her back on the table for five years. I would say people mis-using her words to scare us or judge us when we were young, was blocking us from having an open mind to explore her writings. Then one day, we were traveling near Elmshaven so we stopped because my grandmother who loved EGW's writings, would be devasted if I didn't stop and tour the house. I did it for Grandma. There I met EGW's great granddaughter, who gave me a book called Stories of My Grandmother and reading that book showed us that she was a real person who laughed and made mistakes and loved kids. That book finally convinced us that she was prophet. During the five years that we didn't believe in her, our pastors were awesome! They told us we didn't have to believe in her to be an Adventist and so we stayed.

http://www.heavenlysanctuary.com/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=47203

Interesting. It seems the actual situation being played out in the local church setting is quite a bit different from the 'eat it all or leave it all/love it or lump it' propaganda the Trads here try and force down our throats.

Red, some of your OWN CLERY are saying this to thier membership. :doh: My OWN PASTOR made the same statement to me before my baptism. He told me that EGW was NOT a test of membership and she was NOT supposed to be made one. He said all that was required was that I acknowledge the SDA church believes in the spiritual gifts, prophecy included. I did NOT have to profess allegiance to belief in her prophetic status either before or during the ceremony. Perhaps he left that part out of the vows deliberately, but I never heard it. His position was to just let me search out the issue for myself and come to my own conclusions, just like the woman in the above quote.

Yes, there are many pastors who do not require affirmation of all 28 FBs, including EGW, before they will baptize people.

On a side note, I don't really understand how realizing that EGW was a real person who made mistakes, laughed, and loved kids was convincing evidence of her prophetic status to this woman that you quoted. Those are not the biblical tests of a prophet.
 
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As for Night's posting style, no he doesn't have to be as prickly and in your face as he is, but that doesn't remove the merit from his comments.

Thanks Annie! :hug:

Hey, I ain't as 'prickly' as I was when I first arrived here! That should count for something...:cool:
 
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this is just sad

not only do you not know how to solve the problem you are actually making it worse. you conceed victory and you conceed ground when you have them on the ropes. you argure and fight and are indecicive. just sad
 
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this is just sad

not only do you not know how to solve the problem you are actually making it worse. you conceed victory and you conceed ground when you have them on the ropes. you argure and fight and are indecicive. just sad

We have them on the ropes? Really? :confused:

That's news to me Ice. Please share where you get that bit of information from, because the situation I am seeing isn't like that at all.
 
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this is just sad

not only do you not know how to solve the problem you are actually making it worse. you conceed victory and you conceed ground when you have them on the ropes. you argure and fight and are indecicive. just sad

You are welcome to post your suggestions for solving the problem.
 
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Very good points Tall and Night. I didn't see any love or concern for souls in Red's or Doc's posts above. It is obvious that there is some talk coming out of both sides of someone's mouth. :confused: And the natives seemed so friendly in the beginning. :sigh:

The suggestion in #11 sounds good to me. Night may be in danger of being rolled out of this forum, but I doubt he's in danger of being kicked out of his church.

As for Night's posting style, no he doesn't have to be as prickly and in your face as he is, but that doesn't remove the merit from his comments.

I hate to say it but it may be time for some folks to shake the dust off their feet and move on. If anyone wants to e-mail me I have an idea for a destination. (And it is not CARM). :pink:

I say things straight up, and I love my brothers and sisters, but a 'Adventist' is more than just having your name on a piece of paper.....just like a 'marriage' is more than just a certificate...

I guess thats why I understand Night and his 'straight talk' every now and then........:)
 
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proposal

stop using the term traditional and historic to refere to the main body of SDA' . they are CONSERVATIVE. HISTORICS are those who agree with the pre-1950's QUESTIONS ON DOCTRINE, theology. There has already been a split in the main body and EVANGLICALS AND PROGRESSIVES just the contuination of the split, some have already questioned, these questions have come up 40 years ago and do effect Adventism. They are pertianate and relevant.
 
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I guess she decided to report me. As I just got the message. I am accused of "This is the reason that the user gave:
flaming staff"

What could the flame possibly be?

I posted a few comments in there. I don't think I will get reported as I tried to be diplomatic with my words.

I am getting quite adept at verbally dancing around these hyper-sensitive mods! Tall has taught me well to curb my 'tone'! :thumbsup:

Sure you don't get to say what you really want to say exactly how you want to say it, but maybe I can last long enough in there to have at least SOME of my opinions considered.

Anyhow, I am still learning. I have never been much for dealing with administration in any capacity. I would rather just bulldoze over them verbally and to heck with diplomacy and tact. I am not as refined and socially polished as Tall is when dealing with the 'higher-ups'.

I think I did relatively well though. Go and read for yourselves. :cool:
 
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Yes I read you stuff night. You will likely be ok, but since saying you are flamed is all you need to report something you could say it is a nice day and someone can say he flamed me because who knows maybe they had not posted anything that day and they feel they were insulted.

Tishr1 is upset because she inserted a rule and someone finnaly took a exception to her insertion. Hurt her feeling apparently and thus it is flaming staff.

The thread was started to make the FSG align with other forums. But the Trad moderators would not let that be the case and so they started to rewrite the rules. Not just to make them uniform in arrangement but to restrict our sub-forum.

It began:
(FSGs) Seventh-Day Adventists (please review and comment)

The admins have been tasked with reviewing all the FSGs on the site to make sure they are consistent, clear, and concise.

We're starting with the Congregational area FSGs, because that area has the greatest number, and because most of them say similar things.

We've looked at every Congregational FSG, and noted that most of them had pretty much similar outlines:

* Introduction/History
* Statement of Faith/Definition of Member
* Definition of Fellowship/Limitation on Debate
* Special Issues
* Interpretations of Site-wide rules (what does "flaming" mean here?, etc)

We propose that we have one Congregation-Wide FSG that will address Definition of a Member, and Definition of Debate. This is step one, and the draft is currently being reviewed by staff. This Congregation-wide FSG would apply to all Congregational forums, and would be linked from each of the specific FSGs.

Here, in step 2, we hope to revise each of the congregation-specific FSGs to capture a shorter, more concise Statement of Faith and any Special Issues they have. This would separate the general issues (memberships and debate) from the things specific to each forum.

Also removed from the specific FSGs are most of the historical information (which can be found elsewhere) and any specific interpretations of rules (which is laid out in the site-wide rules).

So here are the draft FSGs for your forum. Things that have been removed:

General Definition of Fellowship/Debate
General history/background of the denomination
Interpretations of rules

This thread will be open for a few days for you to discuss any changes you need to these FSGs. Then the admins will compile a final that takes your comments into consideration.
http://christianforums.com/t6864947
 
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Yes I read you stuff night. You will likely be ok, but since saying you are flamed is all you need to report something you could say it is a nice day and someone can say he flamed me because who knows maybe they had not posted anything that day and they feel they were insulted.

Tishr1 is upset because she inserted a rule and someone finnaly took a exception to her insertion. Hurt her feeling apparently and thus it is flaming staff.

The thread was started to make the FSG align with other forums. But the Trad moderators would not let that be the case and so they started to rewrite the rules. Not just to make them uniform in arrangement but to restrict our sub-forum.

It began:

RC,

I did the main rewrite and made it as clean as I could while staying true to the intent of the original, Tishr1 inserted the only part which you have disagreed to, and she was just trying to address the constant 'Trad' / 'Prog' fighting and nasty attacks. She was a mod in this forum and knows it very well, and is just doing what she can to help......so dont twist it RC, they are solid and fair FSG's for everyone as attested that very little was found that anyone disagreed to....just the added bit from Tishr1...

Red
 
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RC,

I did the main rewrite and made it as clean as I could while staying true to the intent of the original, Tishr1 inserted the only part which you have disagreed to, and she was just trying to address the constant 'Trad' / 'Prog' fighting and nasty attacks. She was a mod in this forum and knows it very well, and is just doing what she can to help......so dont twist it RC, they are solid and fair FSG's for everyone as attested that very little was found that anyone disagreed to....just the added bit from Tishr1...

Red

that is good Red. Now why don't you tell me where I twisted anything. I am sorry that you Traditionals SDA's could not see the problem but your narrow viewpoint does not attest to the appropriateness of the insertion of restrictive rules. That speaks a lot to the in appropriateness of you and doc as moderators. Moderators should seek to be more knowledgeable and capable of seeing both sides of an issue, again my humble opinion my standards may be too high.
 
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Just so we're clear-

The report feature is nothing more than a device found on this website. It may be discussed.

Discussing staff actions is off-limits. Please be careful folks. Violating this rule is subject to staff action.

"Issues with staff decisions should be taken to the staff member, then the reconciliation team, period. Don't post them, don't PM them to others, don't take them to Lee. "

So far I see no problems, but we're getting closer to the fence. That said, please continue the discussion . . .
 
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Yes, Red, you and Night have that in common. Nothing wrong with saying things straight up. But there are times in this forum I get the feeling that it is more important to be an Adventist than it is to be a Christian.

I have found for many Adventists it seems to be more important to be an Adventist than to be a Christian.
 
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