Statement by Mr. Hagin.

[isshinwhat]

"You are as much the incarnation of God as Jesus Christ was... the believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth" Kenneth Hagin, "Word Of Faith" Dec. 1980, p. 14

Could someone please explain to me what he means here?

Thanks,

Neal

 

[Metanoia02]

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Could someone please explain to me what he means here?

Thanks,

Neal

Mr. Hagin appears to have a misconception of the Incarnation.

 

[ZiSunka]

"You are as much the incarnation of God as Jesus Christ was... the believer is as much an incarnation as was Jesus of Nazareth" Kenneth Hagin, "Word Of Faith" Dec. 1980, p. 14

EEK!

He couldn't possibly mean this the way it sounds.

 

[isshinwhat]

Having been told many times what "Catholics really believe," I thought I would allow those concerned to clarify their position.

God Bless,

Neal

 

[isshinwhat]

I hope not, lambslove.

 

[look]

Oh brother!!!

When will people ever learn?

Anytime there is an accusation of heresy, the heresy hunter just puts out one sentence and builds his whole case on that one sentence...Anybody that falls for that deserves to follow after the pied piper of fools...

Can anyone even find the "Word of Faith" magazine that this alleged statement came out of? Could this be more twisting or taking out of context of someone's words?

I'll tell you what it is! It is gossip!!! When you use hearsay to cast someone in a bad light, that is gossip!!!

It's a sad day in the history of the Body of Jesus when so called men of God go around acting like the young widows of 1 Timothy 5,
13. And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.

 

[isshinwhat]

I'll tell you what it is! It is gossip!!! When you use hearsay to cast someone in a bad light, that is gossip!!!

I don't know what the magazine is, nor who he is, other than the fact that he is a popular leader. I came here where I could get an answer, and I thank you for not guessing at my intentions.

Neal

 

[SavedByGrace3]

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Could someone please explain to me what he means here?

Thanks,

Neal

Read his books in their entirety and you will find that he is referring to the new birth.. not our natural birth. He is talking about our being raised up together with him from death, and showing how we are partakers of the divine nature...NOT divinity.


2Pe 1
3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:
4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust.

Eph 4
24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Gal 2
20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.

Eph 2
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

2Co 5
17 Therefore if any man [be] in Christ, [he is] a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
20 Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.
21 For he hath made him [to be] sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

Joh 15
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye [are] the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
Eph 2
1 And you [hath he quickened], who were dead in trespasses and sins;
2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised [us] up together, and made [us] sit together in heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus:
Col 2
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him] through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Joh 1
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, [even] to them that believe on his name:
1Jo 3
9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1Pe 1
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

 

[Metanoia02]

Read his books in their entirety and you will find that he is referring to the new birth.. not our natural birth. He is talking about our being raised up together with him from death, and showing how we are partakers of the divine nature...NOT divinity.

This is why he should not have used the word Incarnation. The Incarnation was God taking on the flesh of a man, being full God and Fully man. This is not appropriate to the explaination you have given.

 

[look]

isshinwhat, with all due respect, I did not say nor mean that you were engaged in hearsay, but tell me, how did you hear of this? Imho, from a second hand source, right? If not, then where did you get this?

 

[look]

This is why he should not have used the word Incarnation. The Incarnation was God taking on the flesh of a man, being full God and Fully man. This is not appropriate to the explaination you have given.

Metanoia02, are you certain he used the word "incarnation"? Unless you have the magazine in your hand, you are relying on second-hand, or in other words, hearsay (weird, heresy and hearsay sounds almost the same...)

So, the real question now becomes "did he say that" or "didn't he say that"?

 

[Metanoia02]

Metanoia02, are you certain he used the word "incarnation"? Unless you have the magazine in your hand, you are relying on second-hand, or in other words, hearsay (weird, heresy and hearsay sounds almost the same...)

So, the real question now becomes "did he say that" or "didn't he say that"?

Look,

Let me give you some practical advice. If you are going to defend your faith or a particular person or doctrine, become more familiar with the different types of questions people have. I have seen this particular quote a number of times. I have even heard audio of him making similar statements. I doubt that it is completely false. Understand the statement and then defend it.

I am Catholic and I have had people post quotes that were real and taken out of context. they can easly explained if you take time to learn what is actually being said. But don't run away from it. Learn the arguement and then proceed. Becasue if they do produce the quote and it is real you need to know how to explain it.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

This is why he should not have used the word Incarnation. The Incarnation was God taking on the flesh of a man, being full God and Fully man. This is not appropriate to the explaination you have given....

Metanoia02 and isshinwhat
Thanks for the questions.
I realize what it looks like. When all someone does is quote a single sentence out of thousands... well I do not think it is a fair test of Dad Hagin's doctrine and teaching. I have read virtually all of his books and listened to most of his tapes. I know people who have been to Rhema and I have been to the late brother Hagin's meetings. I assure you ... in no way shape or manner does he teach that we are incarnations in the same way Jesus was God the son incarnate. At very worse, it was a poor choice of words made worse by the unscrupulous selective quoting of a entire message.
His message and teaching is very specific. Via the new birth we are partakers of the divine nature. We are the members of His body walking on the earth. He is the vine, we are the branches. He is the head, we are the body. We are no less Christ than the head, because we are part of Him. We are one with Him, one in Him... this is exactly what Jesus taught. This is exactly what Paul, John, and Peter taught.
Beyond this, I have to question the true motives of people who do this "pick and choose" quoting. If the person has taken the entire section of the magazine and quoted the whole thing, then it would have been clearer. Why, I have to ask, would someone intentionally do such a deceptive thing?
If you are really interested in what Dad Hagin taught, I encourage you to to to the Rhema website and sign up for the magazine, get a couple of the books or tapes.
In all, I wonder how any of us would fair if just one or two phrases from our teaching or conversation were quoted out of context. I do not think any of us would survive the ordeal.
Blessings in Him

 

[Metanoia02]

didaskalos,

Thanks for the response! I am familiar with the way people quote out of context. I have had to defend unscupulous accusations about my faith as well. We must be more familiar with what is quoted then the people taking it out of context.

Peace

 

[Brother John]

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Could someone please explain to me what he means here?

Thanks,

Neal

IF these are his words Neal, I'd imagine that he was saying this due to the fact that IF we are born again we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within us, not in part, but fully.

my best guess.
Your Brother
John

 

[SavedByGrace3]

didaskalos,

Thanks for the response! I am familiar with the way people quote out of context. I have had to defend unscupulous accusations about my faith as well. We must be more familiar with what is quoted then the people taking it out of context.

Peace

I understand... and we do not help the matter much by using poor choices of words when we teach. Incarnation was not the word I would have used in this case. But I know in my own teaching I have wanted to get a message or an idea across so badly that I go to far in my metaphors and types. We have to be careful not to make trouble for ourselves. Thanks for the understanding... and peace in Him.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Having been told many times what "Catholics really believe," I thought I would allow those concerned to clarify their position.

God Bless,

Neal

Tell me about it my friend in Christ. I grew up in a little town in northern NY that was 75% catholic. My best friends were catholic, and I dated a good catholic girl for two years. I attended mass with them regularly, and came to understand a little about what catholics believe. I am sometimes ashamed at the way my catholic brothers and sisters are treated. I know we have differences, and I am not going to pretend that some of them are not deep. But I believe catholics are believers headed for heaven just like me! I have seen the teachings of catholics misrepresented and twisted to mean evil dark things that are just not true. People can take innocent misunderstandings about words and twist them to make them look like something else.
Anyway. God bless you and thanks for the good work you and your church does for the body of Christ. I pray that someday the Lord will lead us all into an full and accurate understanding of His word. I pray He remove these barriers and hindrances to the perfection that the body of Christ is striving to attain. Bless you and Peace in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ!

 

[TheScottsMen]

Hagins Theology here taken right out of the Dakes Bible'

 

[look]

Look,

Let me give you some practical advice. If you are going to defend your faith or a particular person or doctrine, become more familiar with the different types of questions people have. I have seen this particular quote a number of times. I have even heard audio of him making similar statements. I doubt that it is completely false. Understand the statement and then defend it.

I am Catholic and I have had people post quotes that were real and taken out of context. they can easly explained if you take time to learn what is actually being said. But don't run away from it. Learn the arguement and then proceed. Becasue if they do produce the quote and it is real you need to know how to explain it.

Metanoia02, I understand why you are giving me advice, but I can assure wholeheartedly that I fully understood the question...again, thanks for the pointers...Also, I knew no one could produce the quote because I know that's not what Dad Hagin taught. I wasn't the least bit worried, much less fixing to run away. I also have learned when to shut up when the respondent isn't listening...

Perhaps you and isshinwhat misunderstood the point I was trying to make. As you can see by my siggy, I know my place in the kingdom of God. The point I was making was this, instead of stating unequivocally as fact that Dad Hagin used the word Incarnation, be sure he indeed did say that. This way, as my advice for you Metanoia02, you don't end up with egg on your face. I almost told you that these men (heresy hunters) have been exposed for the liars that they are. There, I've said it...

Nowadays, most brethen who hear this kind of stuff take it with a grain of salt. They've got their numbers...

 

[look]

Hagins Theology here taken right out of the Dakes Bible'

Yes, that was my favorite study Bible. My cousin Randy from Tenn., gave it to me in Feb. 9, 1974.

I wish the complete Amplified Bible had been released then...

By the way, Dad Hagin's theology was not taken right out of the Dakes Bible. The first complete Dake's Bible with the notes wasn't published untill 1963...However, there was a previous edition (New Testament with Daniel, Psalms and Proverbs) that came out in 1961.