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Not so fast....
Note I did not say what do you want to argument?
I used the word debate as an verb, but no matter, take your pick
it matters little.
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debate
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de·bate (dĭ-bāt′
v. de·bat·ed, de·bat·ing, de·bates
v.intr.
1. To consider something; deliberate.
2. To engage in argument by discussing opposing points.
3. To engage in a formal discussion or argument. See Synonyms at discuss.
4. Obsolete To fight or quarrel.
v.tr.
1. To deliberate on; consider.
2. To dispute or argue about.
3. To discuss or argue (a question, for example) formally.
4. Obsolete To fight or argue for or over.
n.
1. A discussion involving opposing points; an argument.
2. Deliberation; consideration: passed the motion with little debate.
3. A formal contest of argumentation in which two opposing teams defend and attack a given proposition.
4. Obsolete Conflict; strife.
[Middle English debaten, from Old French debatre : de-, de- + battre, to beat; see batter1.]
There is no difference here!
Not nesessarily does a debate have a winner.
Perhaps in some formal debates there are formal rules
and a winner decided. But I did not use the word formal
before the word debate.
If you wanted to start an argument and engaged with someone,
as we did, as soon as it extends it becomes an (informal) debate by default
= argument. Because we cannot both have your argument and disagree.
That would not be logical.
Think this qualifies as a debate very easily since it is on a public platform
with guidelines and rules where others are not barred from adding their
own thoughts.
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From differencebetween.net:
A debate, as a noun, is understood as a formal discussion between people or groups of people that is regulated. Interestingly, debates are considered based on arguments, which are lines of reasoning, support or evidence about a subject. However, a debate has the feeling of a larger, longer or more formal discussion. A formal debate may even be judged by a person or a panel of people, with one side winning the debate by providing the best lines of reasoning or support for the issue.
A debate has also come to have a meaning similar to an argument in the negative sense in colloquial English in modern usage. For example you may hear someone say, The child had an all-out debate with his mother about not eating his peas. In this less formal usage, the word debate is used to show the discussion or disagreement was more involved or longer than a normal argument, or perhaps less emotional or passionately angry. Debate carries the idea of more intellectual discussion about disagreement when used this way, as opposed to argument, which implies a more emotion driven quarrel.
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By Episode Five I did in fact mean Episode 5 of the first trilogy. And how dare you call my Star Wars overrated do I need to get my Sith Lords???
Lol I'm well aware of what you meant by episode 5, and yes...overrated. Lucas is just another space opera director in a long line of space opera writers to rip-off formulaic pulp magazines. Instead of a strictly planetary romance, he set it in space and added quasi-spirituality and Jar Jar ...and he's been riding the back of this blatant robbery and Jar Jar atrocity for years.
pulp mags + horse operas -> Kurosawa & space operas -> Lucas -> Jar Jar stain on fanboy underwear
Okay Ana Ive got one for ya;
I believe to like someone is more important than to love them in a marriage. The difference? I believe to like someone means you enjoy their company, you connect, you get along with each other.
I believe love is an emotional attachment that you have with a person. I believe the best scenario would be to like and love your partner, but if you could only have one, I believe like is more important than love.
Ken
I disagree! I believe love is different than liking someone. I have been in love, but I realize not everybody is going to react to love the way I react to love. Ive seen dysfunctional people in love and are abusive to each other, fight all the time and obviously dont like each other. For me it is impossible to love someone under these conditions, but not everybody is like me.Doesn't sound like you've ever really been in love Ken...doesn't sound that way to me. Love IMO is much much stronger than liking someone.
Emotional connections can cause one to change their values; that isnt always good though.For me at least, it changes all the values one has.
Its a bit difficult to argue something this subjective though.
I disagree! I believe love is different than liking someone. I have been in love, but I realize not everybody is going to react to love the way I react to love. Ive seen dysfunctional people in love and are abusive to each other, fight all the time and obviously dont like each other. For me it is impossible to love someone under these conditions, but not everybody is like me.
Then Ive seen people who get along with each other, they have the best times when they are around each other, but they dont have the emotional connection to love each other. I dont believe love is stronger than like, I believe it is different than like.
Emotional connections can cause one to change their values; that isnt always good though.
I thought you were looking for an argument! It may be difficult; but you werent looking for softballs were you?


ken
As far as which is better for a marriage to work, I think it can be objective.It's without basis though... at least an objective one. Im telling you coke tastes better than Pepsi...you're saying the opposite.
No! This conversation is not about which is stronger of course love is stronger! With love emotions are involved. I'm talking which is better for a marriage or exclusive relationship; assuming the only choices are love but not like; or like but not love. Believe it or not, it is possible to be in love with someone but not like them, and it is also possible to like someone but not be in love with them.When I say love is stronger... it's because what I experience as love is stronger.
First of all; you should never assume you know my experiences based upon the questions I am asking for this particular conversation.I've only felt it with one person, and I seriously doubt everyone gets to experience what I do as love. I think most will go their whole lives and never feel it. Those people who you speak about don't...and from the way you describe it, you don't either. I thought I had experienced love before I did...and I was wrong. It's simply not the same thing.
As far as which is better for a marriage to work, I think it can be objective.
No! This conversation is not about which is stronger of course love is stronger! With love emotions are involved. I'm talking which is better for a marriage or exclusive relationship; assuming the only choices are love but not like; or like but not love. Believe it or not, it is possible to be in love with someone but not like them, and it is also possible to like someone but not be in love with them.
First of all; you should never assume you know my experiences based upon the questions I am asking for this particular conversation.
Second; I don't need to experience what you've experienced in order for me to experience love; and you don't need to experience what I've experienced in order for you to experience love. It's a personal thing; but it is still love.
Ken
Star Wars is the best And episode 7 will be better than 5
The best what? The best at being overrated?
And you're mistaken sir, any episode without Jar Jar Binks and his slightly drunken Jamaican accent is not worthy of my viewing. Clearly you missed the boat on that one.
I doubt it, nothing beats Empire Strikes Back.
I must be one of the rare individuals that loves Jar Jar Binks. Every Star Wars needs a cute character or two. A pitty he votes "Yes" on Proposition Palpatine.
I'm actually not that into SW, and none of my posts about Star Wars were even serious lol. I was just making stuff up and goadingActually, I agree with Grim totally....
It's just that as a self imposed rule of the thread I'm taking positions contrary to whatever positions a poster claims. It doesn't matter if I believe them or not. Most big star wars fans hate episode 1 and JJB.
I can understand doing horrible things to people you do not like, but why to people that you actually like?Well, that's what it comes down to isn't it? Personal experiences...
I can do horrible, horrible things to people I like...and I have.
Suppose you loved the person, but did not like them?Things I couldn't do to the one I love.
Would this love allow you to do those things if you didn't like them?Likewise...love allows me to do things that like could never.
Would your marriage exist if you didn't like her?My marriage wouldn't exist if I only liked my wife. She would be dead.
I get a feeling if you loved your wife, but did not like her, and you two never got along; always fighting and hurting each other; you would understand where I am getting at.So your argument... from my personal experience... is null and void.
I can understand doing horrible things to people you do not like, but why to people that you actually like?
Suppose you loved the person, but did not like them?
Would this love allow you to do those things if you didn't like them?
Would your marriage exist if you didn't like her?
I get a feeling if you loved your wife, but did not like her, and you two never got along; always fighting and hurting each other; you would understand where I am getting at.
Ken
Is this the five minute argument or the full 30 minutes?
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