Stars will fall to earth

[dad]

It sure took you some time, but I am happy to see you have come to your senses and admit that there is no God.

Way to go, Dad!

No idea what you are talking about. Perhaps your point of view colors what you think you see. Of course there is a God.

 

[Freodin]

No idea what you are talking about. Perhaps your point of view colors what you think you see. Of course there is a God.

Thanks for agreeing with me, dad. I knew you had it in you! Welcome in the ranks of reasonable atheism!

 

[dad]

Thanks for agreeing with me, dad. I knew you had it in you! Welcome in the ranks of reasonable atheism!

The problem of missing neutrinos in the sun is an issue. I agree. It is hilarious how the same staters scrambled to cook up some supposed answer.

"The solar neutrino problem was a major discrepancy between measurements of the numbers of neutrinos flowing through the Earth and theoretical models of the solar interior.."
Solar neutrino problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, to smooth over the problem, here is what they did..


"Neutrino oscillations are a quantum mechanical phenomenon predicted by Bruno Pontecorvo whereby a neutrino created with a specific lepton flavor (electron, muon or tau) can later be measured to have a different flavor. The probability of measuring a particular flavor for a neutrino varies periodically as it propagates. Neutrino oscillation is of theoretical and experimental interest since observation of the phenomenon implies that the neutrino has a non-zero mass, which is not part of the original Standard Model of particle physics."

Neutrino oscillations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In other words...BS.

 

[dad]

Thanks for agreeing with me, dad. I knew you had it in you! Welcome in the ranks of reasonable atheism!

The problem of missing neutrinos in the sun is an issue. I agree. It is hilarious how the same staters scrambled to cook up some supposed answer.

"The solar neutrino problem was a major discrepancy between measurements of the numbers of neutrinos flowing through the Earth and theoretical models of the solar interior.."
Solar neutrino problem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, to smooth over the problem, here is what they did..


"Neutrino oscillations are a quantum mechanical phenomenon predicted by Bruno Pontecorvo whereby a neutrino created with a specific lepton flavor (electron, muon or tau) can later be measured to have a different flavor. The probability of measuring a particular flavor for a neutrino varies periodically as it propagates. Neutrino oscillation is of theoretical and experimental interest since observation of the phenomenon implies that the neutrino has a non-zero mass, which is not part of the original Standard Model of particle physics."

Neutrino oscillations - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In other words...BS.


Yes, there is a God.



So, let's look at the wand waving of so called science here in more detail..


"After three decades of searching, physicists have tracked down subatomic particles that have eluded them for 30 years. The particles, it turns out, were right there all the while but had hidden themselves as if by magic.

During the neutrinos' 93-million-mile journey from the Sun to the Earth, the researchers said, about two-thirds change into other varieties that are more difficult to detect."

http://www.nytimes.com/2001/06/19/science/sun-s-missing-neutrinos-hidden-in-plain-sight.html



Time for a revolution, kids.

 

[Freodin]

In other words...BS.

And that comming from you... hillarious!

Look at those icky same-staters! What do these rascals do when they find an observation that does not agree with there models?

The propose a different state! Who would have thought that!

The real difference between these not-so-same-staters and the dadiological-faction-of-one is: the intelligent side tries to find out what really is different, how it is different and how to verify/falsify that, instead of crying out "but you can´t say it is the same!".

But of course you know that, god-denying atheist that you have admitted to be, dad.

 

[dad]

And that comming from you... hillarious!

Look at those icky same-staters! What do these rascals do when they find an observation that does not agree with there models?

They invoke magic. Of course. As the link shows.

The propose a different state! Who would have thought that!

No, they propose anything at all that might save their grants, and pride.

Truth is not an issue.

The real difference between these not-so-same-staters and the dadiological-faction-of-one is: the intelligent side tries to find out what really is different, how it is different and how to verify/falsify that, instead of crying out "but you can´t say it is the same!".

The basis for what is 'really different' to the same state cultists revolves around imagining what must be the same. Whoopee do.

But of course you know that, god-denying atheist that you have admitted to be, dad.

God and Jesus are very real. Guess that deflates your balloon. I like that.

 

[Freodin]

God and Jesus are very real. Guess that deflates your balloon. I like that.

The only method I have seen here so far that this above sentence is an affirmation of your theistic beliefs, is the method of assuming that language is the same with you as with me. Got anything else?

No, didn´t think so.

I always knew you were a god-denying same-statist.

 

[dad]

The only method I have seen here so far..is the method of assuming that language is the same with you as with me. Got anything else?

That depends. In your own language, what do you think is the point?

I always knew you were a god-denying same-statist.

I do not believe in the same state past, and have decided that even a same state present far away universe is way way way way way beyond your ability to confirm or deny. That is where it is now at.

 

[Tomatoman]

....Looks like you think everyone is nuts but you.

Moving on...

No, just you, dad. (It was C.S.Lewis who called Jesus a lunatic.) I think others here are a little unhinged but the only seriously mentally ill person is you.

 

[Split Rock]

So you don't think Jesus spoke in Revelations, and all through the bible??

You can only conclude that if Jesus is God, and God spoke though Revelations. I am trying to determine if Jesus actually claimed to be God.

Kidding aside, the color of a star doesn't tell it's size. Got anything but beliefs?

Do you? All you have provided is an assertion. Astronomers have data and theories based on data. Tell us in your infinite wisdom, Prophet Dad, how does a star undergo nuclear fusion without sufficient mass? Please provide specific examples and all formula.

 

[Split Rock]

i don't think he ever outright said it, but this verse is generally interpreted as Jesus calling himself God:



The phrase "I am" has a special meaning because it's the name God gave himself when he presented himself to Moses:

Thanks for that.. this is the closest I have seen Jesus proclaim himslef God. Interesting. Strange that none of the creato-bible experts here came up with it....

 

[dad]

You can only conclude that if Jesus is God, and God spoke though Revelations. I am trying to determine if Jesus actually claimed to be God.

In referring Himself as salvation, and the resurrection, and the life, and etc


He did as He was accused of by those that knew...'made Himself God'

Do you? All you have provided is an assertion. Astronomers have data and theories based on data. Tell us ...how does a star undergo nuclear fusion without sufficient mass? Please provide specific examples and all formula.

It doesn't, from the evidence I have see so far. How did the star of Bethlehem undergo nuclear fusion without sufficient mass?

 

[Split Rock]

It doesn't, from the evidence I have see so far. How did the star of Bethlehem undergo nuclear fusion without sufficient mass?

Why are you asking me????

You tell us how it did that, since you claim they are much smaller than our sun!

This reminds me of Abbott and Costello:

C: "What is the name of the guy on first?"
A: "Who."
C: "The guy on first."
A: "Who."
C: "The guy playing first base!"
A: "Who is one first."
C: "What are you asking me for!"

 

[Vatis]

It doesn't, from the evidence I have see so far. How did the star of Bethlehem undergo nuclear fusion without sufficient mass?

The star of Bethlehelm was probably a comet or nova, not an actual star.

 

[AV1611VET]

The star of Bethlehelm was probably a comet or nova, not an actual star.

Then how did it lead the wise men to a specific street address?

Matthew 2:9 ¶ When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east, went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.

Also note that Jerusalem is north of Bethlehem; and stars don't move south-to-north.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

Also note that Jerusalem is north of Bethlehem; and stars don't move south-to-north.

But... Jesus was born in Bethlehem wasn't he? So the star led them to Bethlehem.

So if Jerusalem is north of Bethlehem wouldn't the star be moving from Jerusalem (in the North) to Bethlehem (in the South)... which is North-to-South not South-to-North?

 

[AV1611VET]

But... Jesus was born in Bethlehem wasn't he? So the star led them to Bethlehem.

No, it didn't -- it led them to Jerusalem:

Matthew 2:1 ¶ Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

The wise men never set foot in Bethlehem -- (as far as I know).

Matthew 2:1b occurs two years after Matthew 2:1a.

 

[knowledgeIsPower]

No, it didn't -- it led them to Jerusalem:

Matthew 2:1 ¶ Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,

The wise men never set foot in Bethlehem -- (as far as I know).

Matthew 2:1b occurs two years after Matthew 2:1a.

Interesting I didn't know that. I am always reminded of those nativity scenes with the 3 wise men coming to Jesus when he is born in the manger in Bethlehem. So those nativity scenes are incorrect?

Wait... that says they came from the East... so what is this talk of North and South then?

 

[AV1611VET]

Interesting I didn't know that.

Now you do -- we fix the error doctrines that arise out of having the Bible escorted out of our schools.

I am always reminded of those nativity scenes with the 3 wise men coming to Jesus when he is born in the manger in Bethlehem.

So am I, and it makes shopping for nativity scenes easier.

My wife's father crafted us a nativity scene one year, showing the wise men at the manger.

That started WW3 when my wife put the wise men outside of the manger.

(My wife is an ex-Catholic.)

So those nativity scenes are incorrect?

Yes.

Wait... that says they came from the East...

That is correct, when Jesus was born, the wise men saw the star from their observation point in China (?).

They started out and arrived at their destination -- Jerusalem -- two years later.

Herod sent them to Bethlehem, but they noticed a reappearance of this star (probably a hologram), which then led them to a specific house (not manger) in Jerusalem.

so what is this talk of North and South then?

Bethlehem is 6 miles south of Jerusalem.

 

[Cabal]

Now you do -- we fix the error doctrines that arise out of having the Bible escorted out of our schools.

Oh come off it - the location of the three wise men is not a "doctrine".

Herod sent them to Bethlehem, but they noticed a reappearance of this star (probably a hologram)

What the actual heck?

Do you know what a hologram is?