Star trek fan drifting towards Star Wars

[timewerx]

My sentiments seem to be drifting strongly towards the supernatural and "superhuman" where Star Wars is more at home with and also the rebel cause.

Star Trek is mainly about team work and "getting in line". Even "super beings" must subject themselves to the status quo and not express their full abilities in order to be peacefully accepted by society. Super beings portrayed as weak and vulnerable when they need not be. Over reliance on technology almost to the point of worship. I'm starting to find it revolting. I'm sorry Star Trek fans. Just the way I feel and it's starting to feel like the model of our fallen world.

 

[AMOG]

Interesting. I feel several of the new 'star trek' offerings fit better in the star wars universe.. Gene's original vision for Star Trek came at a time when most mainstream sci fi was dark, foreboding, and frankly quite bleak in its outlook on humanity. Star Trek was a very intentional attempt to promote a bright future for humanity. Star Trek TOS clearly fits into this mold though today it seems very dated and the edginess of the Uhura/Kirk kiss and the half black/half white aliens of 'let this be your last battlefield' seem more hokey then instructive; at the time, they were inciteful and presumably socially influential, at least on the audience that was tuning in.

Now, when you look at something like 'picard, season one' you see a totally different universe. One fraut with corruption, not just of singular individuals, but of the Federation as a whole. and lets don't even start on discovery which imo is completely off the rails.

I do find 'Brave new worlds" to be a refreshing throwback to the original vision of the show. I understand, there will always be bad actors in every universe. If there weren't, there would be no interesting stories. But my objection comes from the general world view, not the specific villains of an episode.

In todays Sci Fi world I still look to Star Trek to be a beacon of hope for humanity. The brokenness of human society is on exhibit in plenty of other offerings such as FireFly (which honestly, I like a lot), The 100, or a series I just discovered "The Last Ship" which though it is bad science, it scores on many levels of illustrating the depravity of man. Over. And Over. Again.

I just think we have a lot of dystopic offereings, I like it when Star Trek takes it's original, hopeful stance, in spite of the problems you correctly mention.

 

[timewerx]

Interesting. I feel several of the new 'star trek' offerings fit better in the star wars universe.. Gene's original vision for Star Trek came at a time when most mainstream sci fi was dark, foreboding, and frankly quite bleak in its outlook on humanity. Star Trek was a very intentional attempt to promote a bright future for humanity. Star Trek TOS clearly fits into this mold though today it seems very dated and the edginess of the Uhura/Kirk kiss and the half black/half white aliens of 'let this be your last battlefield' seem more hokey then instructive; at the time, they were inciteful and presumably socially influential, at least on the audience that was tuning in.

Now, when you look at something like 'picard, season one' you see a totally different universe. One fraut with corruption, not just of singular individuals, but of the Federation as a whole. and lets don't even start on discovery which imo is completely off the rails.

I do find 'Brave new worlds" to be a refreshing throwback to the original vision of the show. I understand, there will always be bad actors in every universe. If there weren't, there would be no interesting stories. But my objection comes from the general world view, not the specific villains of an episode.

In todays Sci Fi world I still look to Star Trek to be a beacon of hope for humanity. The brokenness of human society is on exhibit in plenty of other offerings such as FireFly (which honestly, I like a lot), The 100, or a series I just discovered "The Last Ship" which though it is bad science, it scores on many levels of illustrating the depravity of man. Over. And Over. Again.

I just think we have a lot of dystopic offereings, I like it when Star Trek takes it's original, hopeful stance, in spite of the problems you correctly mention.

My favorite Star Trek is Deep Space 9 as it seems to be the one closest to the reality I see.

Star Wars doesn't give a lot of boundaries.

I like how the 2019 movie showed the hyperdrive being used as weapon of mass destruction. I've always suspected warp drives to be capable of immense destruction if employed as a weapon. When in use at light speeds or more, it becomes an "analog" of a black hole's event horizon. It can potentially turn matter it collides with into small black holes that can explode with the energy of antimatter device or even worse due to Hawking Radiation. It can potentially destroy a planet it collides with as well.

Photon/quantum torpedoes in theory should be able to kill large starships and even Borg cubes in one shot even the ships are fully shielded if the torpedo is traveling at warp speeds if launched at warp speed towards a sub light target or if equipped with its own warp drive. I never saw this concept explored in the series.

Large starships are likely to be impractical in real world space battles as represent a huge vulnerability as a very large target, susceptibility to various weapons, and huge cost.

In Star Wars, the rebels' main space based weapon is the X-fighter and seldom used large capital ships for battle. Large starships are comparable to submarines. Just one torpedo can pulverize a hugely expensive submarine with huge loss of lives. Even if the ship is unmanned and fully automated, it would still be very expensive to deal with any loss.

That said, my favorite organization within Star Trek is naturally the Section 31 as they also operate with very little boundaries if any.