Standards are good for clearing Science.

DogmaHunter · Sep 24, 2015

whois said:
i believe some people haven't honestly looked at the evidence.
true to the atheist form, you will no doubt say "what evidence".
there is indeed a sound, rational reason for "believing in god".

What reason would that be?

DogmaHunter · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
Give me a brake, liar! The God's Son on the cross has not convinced you? The bloody Cross has not convinced, how then can I?

"liar"? What the...?

And simply repeating the claims of your religion is not going to convince any of us.

DogmaHunter · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
The quote is from book "Grand Design". Christians, please do not read the book (it is enough information in Wikipedia), otherwise the evil genius will kill your soul.

Haaa, the calls to censorship.

A couple centuries ago, you would have been one of those people cheering during the massive book-burnings, wouldn't you?

DogmaHunter · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
If you tend to atheism (which is primitive paganism), then you must be the most educated in this dim area of Philosophy. Therefore, please, read all the bestsellers of the leading atheist: S. Hawking. Then come back for talks. Man, if you discover the hell in afterlife, then let it not be the total surprise for you, because you have considered all options and made the CHOICE. Therefore, read all what the leaders of atheism have to say. Get your consciousness, brother!

Haaa, the threats of hell. And you're only 1 page and a half into a thread.

Gratz, that must be some kind of record.

DogmaHunter · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
Your tactic to avoid life is to change the subject?! Are you leading expert on atheism? No, because you are talking with me. Then become one, so read the Hawking's "Grand Design" and other bestsellers. Please!!!

The Grand Design is a book about physics.

asherahSamaria · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
Your tactic to avoid life is to change the subject?! Are you leading expert on atheism? No, because you are talking with me. Then become one, so read the Hawking's "Grand Design" and other bestsellers. Please!!!

lots of words - still no recognition of your scare tactic fail.

DaisyDay · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
If you tend to atheism (which is primitive paganism), then you must be the most educated in this dim area of Philosophy. Therefore, please, read all the bestsellers of the leading atheist: S. Hawking. Then come back for talks. Man, if you discover the hell in afterlife, then let it not be the total surprise for you, because you have considered all options and made the CHOICE. Therefore, read all what the leaders of atheism have to say. Get your consciousness, brother!

That still isn't the context of the quote. Do you understand what I'm asking? I'm asking for a more complete quote, for the words around that little tidbit.

Dmitri Martila · Sep 24, 2015

Larnievc said:
Atheism is... primitive paganism... I'm surprised... of this fact.

True, brother! You will be more surprised in afterlife, if you will not study your atheism. Just read the leading atheist Hawking!

Paulos23 · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
If you tend to atheism (which is primitive paganism), then you must be the most educated in this dim area of Philosophy. Therefore, please, read all the bestsellers of the leading atheist: S. Hawking. Then come back for talks. Man, if you discover the hell in afterlife, then let it not be the total surprise for you, because you have considered all options and made the CHOICE. Therefore, read all what the leaders of atheism have to say. Get your consciousness, brother!

Dude, if you don't understand the position of Atheists and put your own meaning into their mouths. You need to make connections between your meaning and their meaning and all the logical steps in between to even have a chance of getting your message across. At this point your just sounding like a raving dogmatic christian and there are many of here, and will be ignored and be dismissed with the usual logical statements that I see few Christians even attempt to address.

You are just making claims without even trying to address the logic. Your insight is not as clear as you think it is and you need to do more work to make your insight clear.

Dmitri Martila · Sep 24, 2015

Paulos23 said:
Dude,... Your insight is not as cleaneed to do more work to make your insight clear.

I am not dude, brother. I see only one problem with atheists nowadays: they ignore their leader - S.Hawking. That is the supernatural line of craziness they follow. Aren't they, Christian brothers? Even monkeys pay attention to leaders, but these primitive pagans - don't.

Dmitri Martila · Sep 24, 2015

I see only one problem with atheists nowadays: they ignore their leader - S.Hawking. That is the supernatural line of craziness they follow. Aren't they, Christian brothers? Even monkeys pay attention to leaders, but these primitive pagans - don't.

DogmaHunter · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
I am not dude, brother. I see only one problem with atheists nowadays: they ignore their leader - S.Hawking. That is the line of craziness they follow. Aren't they, Christian brothers?

You are just making a fool of yourself with such statements.

Not a single atheist on this site (or anywhere else, I dare to say) would see hawking as their "leader" (whatever that is supposed to mean).

What are you hoping to accomplish by putting up these strawmen and nonsensical statements?

Dmitri Martila · Sep 24, 2015

DogmaHunter said:
You are just making a fool of yourself with such statements.

Not a single atheist on this site (or anywhere else, I dare to say) would see hawking as their "leader" (whatever that is supposed to mean).

What are you hoping to accomplish by putting up these strawmen and nonsensical statements?

Hawking is leading Scientist, he is atheist. So he is leading atheist. What is your problem with that? I repeat my discovery in this forum: "I see only one problem with atheists nowadays: they ignore their leader - S.Hawking. That is the supernatural line of craziness they follow. Aren't they, Christian brothers? Even monkeys pay attention to leaders, but these primitive pagans - don't."

DogmaHunter · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
Hawking is leading Scientist, he is atheist. So he is leading atheist. What is your problem with that?

The problem is that it is completely absurd. So absurd that I have trouble taking you even seriously.

Let's take your logic and apply it to other such statements:

Hawkins is a leading scientist and he doesn't play golf. So he is a leading non-golf player.
Einstein is a leading scientist and he drank milk. So he is a leading milk drinker.

It's absurd to the highest degree.

I repeat my discovery in this forum: "I see only one problem with atheists nowadays: they ignore their leader - S.Hawking. That is the supernatural line of craziness they follow. Aren't they, Christian brothers? Even monkeys pay attention to leaders, but these primitive pagans - don't."

Pagans have a religion.
Atheists don't.

Your absurdity knows no bounds, it seems.

Dmitri Martila · Sep 24, 2015

DogmaHunter said:
Pagans have a religion.
Atheists don't. Your absurdity knows no bounds, it seems.

Pagans don't have the religion, becAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW GOD. Please study the case, starting from Hawkings "Grand Design". You caught it right, if Hawking drinks milk, he is leading drinker of milk. That is obvious: Hawking and I are just two different kinds of people. Change your attitude, latter is evil. Scientist study all what is, thus atheist as Scientist knows more about this atheism.

Paulos23 · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
I am not dude, brother. I see only one problem with atheists nowadays: they ignore their leader - S.Hawking. That is the supernatural line of craziness they follow. Aren't they, Christian brothers? Even monkeys pay attention to leaders, but these primitive pagans - don't.

S.Hawking, Richard Dawkins, and even Matt Dillahunty are outspoken Atheists. That doesn't make them leaders that atheists will follow, or what they say will all atheists agree with. Atheists are like cats, and while the internet has allowed some of them with similar views to band together, they don't agree with on every issue. To claim we have a leader makes it clear to me you do not understand Atheists and that you are trying to impose your understanding of your religion on Atheists, which doesn't work to describe Atheists as a whole.

Paulos23 · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
Pagans don't have the religion, becAUSE THEY DO NOT KNOW GOD.

You clearly don't know about pagan religions. They claim to know gods, and they have a structure to their worship of those gods, that makes it a religion. Atheism doesn't worship any gods, so it is not a religion.

Please study the case, starting from Hawkings "Grand Design". You caught it right, if Hawking drinks milk, he is leading drinker of milk. That is obvious: Hawking and I are just two different kinds of people. Change your attitude, latter is evil. Scientist study all what is, thus atheist as Scientist knows more about this atheism.

Your making some jumps in logic here. Why does it matter if a scientist is atheist or not? You are right that a scientist studies what is in the universe, but that doesn't always extend to their personal beliefs. And either way, as long as the science holds up, it is not evil. It just is.

Dmitri Martila · Sep 24, 2015

Paulos23 said:
trying to impose your understanding of your religion on Atheists, which doesn't work to describe Atheists as a whole.

So, tell again, why you have ignored the life work of Hawking - "Grand Design"? No? Then take your money and read it! Then read other atheistic bestsellers. Please!

Paulos23 · Sep 24, 2015

Dmitri Martila said:
So, tell again, why you have ignored the life work of Hawking - "Grand Design"? No? Then take your money and read it! Then read other atheistic bestsellers. Please!

Because I have read several books by atheists, and listen to their podcasts and such. But I only have so much time and money, most of which goes to my family. I have not heard of this book, but I don't see why it is necessary to read for my atheism when I have already found enough just within the Bible and Christianity itself to disbelieve.

Dmitri Martila · Sep 24, 2015

Paulos23 said:
But I only have so much time and money...

so, the poor tactic again to avoid life. Poor tactic fails. Atheists are different? So you need read every one of them. Especially so smart man like Hawking.

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