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Staff/member discussion about the updated Statement of purpose

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FreeinChrist

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First-off we all should know that there is no need for an Administrator and CF Staff Trainer to shout.

first off, I was not shouting. If you have a complaint, you can take to me via pm or start a thread in the Member services center.


Secondly, thanks to You, Sojourner, Truthfrees and others for the new positive, user friendly SOP. If you remember my suggestion of using "pro-Paul" in place of "anti-Paul."

Thirdly, because of CFs positive changes i've decided to change my faith status from Christian to Messianic. Previously was registered as "Christian Messianic" but only "Christian" was displayed. If for some reason CF will not allow a change from Christian to Messianic (as it is still shown as Christian) please advise. Had read and agreed to the previous SOP two years ago and checked off the appropriate box as attending both a Christian and MJ Congregation.

Shabbat Shalom
We can change your faith icon. Please start a thread in the Member Services Center (MSC) and we can make the change for you. http://www.christianforums.com/forums/member-services-center-msc.883/
 
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first off, I was not shouting. If you have a complaint, you can take to me via pm or start a thread in the Member services center.
Apologize for not including the other member post giving you the wrong impression of my true intent. Was referencing the previous poster that (IMO) wrongly accused you of shouting. After rereading my post i see how you thought i was accusing you of shouting, actually just the opposite. Like i said or should have said ... It is unjust to accuse someone who has risen to the level of a Staff Member, Administrator and CF Trainer of ever seeing the need to SHOUT. Such an accusation, was IMO, a gross misrepresentation of your best intentions toward a more congenial MJ forum.
 
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Apologize for not including the other member post giving you the wrong impression of my true intent. Was referencing the previous poster that (IMO) wrongly accused you of shouting. After rereading my post i see how you thought i was accusing you of shouting, actually just the opposite. Like i said or should have said ... It is unjust to accuse someone who has risen to the level of a Staff Member, Administrator and CF Trainer of ever seeing the need to SHOUT. Such an accusation, was IMO, a gross misrepresentation of your best intentions toward a more congenial MJ forum.

ahh...cool! no worries.

But go ahead to the MSC about the faith icon change so we can get that done.
 
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After consideration, we are making a change that was suggested in this thread.

We changed it from :

or that Messianic Jews or Gentiles must forsake their covenantal responsibilities within Torah

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or that Messianic Jews or Gentiles should not keep the commandments in Torah that apply to them
 
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After consideration, we are making a change that was suggested in this thread.

We changed it from :

or that Messianic Jews or Gentiles must forsake their covenantal responsibilities within Torah

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or that Messianic Jews or Gentiles should not keep the commandments in Torah that apply to them

Cool.
 
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I always did like Yosemite Sam. But my absolute favorite is Marvin the Martian

Nah... got to go with I'm the roughest, toughest, root'nest, toot'nest, fastest gun-slinger west of the Pecos!
 
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After consideration, we are making a change that was suggested in this thread.

We changed it from :

or that Messianic Jews or Gentiles must forsake their covenantal responsibilities within Torah

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or that Messianic Jews or Gentiles should not keep the commandments in Torah that apply to them
A much better wording. The prior wording indicates that observance is necessary. The new wording makes is an option that should still be respected.
 
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A much better wording. The prior wording indicates that observance is necessary. The new wording makes is an option that should still be respected.
Both wordings seem overly vague to me. Without specifically defining what the "covenantal responsibilities within Torah" or "commandments in Torah that apply to them," are, the field is left wide open.
 
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Both wordings seem overly vague to me. Without specifically defining what the "covenantal responsibilities within Torah" or "commandments in Torah that apply to them," are, the field is left wide open.
It's called being sidelined. Fill the field with players so you can't tell which team is which. Then when enough players have entered the game the original players become sidelined. It's a very political move. It's being played out currently through the Syrian refugee crisis as we a speak. Flood the country with enough refugees that you can't tell who is a fundamentalist or not. Then when enough are in, dominate.
 
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I do always love being compared to a Muslim extremist.
I don't want to be contentious, but I think that what makes an extremist stand out is the level to which he takes his certainty in the things that he believes. An extremist isn't able to allow for the chance that someone else might be right. They're just wrong - period. And he is willing to push others to take their faith in his religion as seriously as he does.

The best way to be as unlike an extremist as possible to allow for pluralism and difference of opinion. I don't know you, so I cannot say - but you ask yourself. To what extent are you open to allowing others to have their own opinions in the face of your own conviction?
 
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I don't want to be contentious, but I think that what makes an extremist stand out is the level to which he takes his certainty in the things that he believes. An extremist isn't able to allow for the chance that someone else might be right. They're just wrong - period
I think you've hit the nail on the head. It amazes me how little humility many people have. I may come across very strenuous in my defense of my ideas here in the forum BUT I always have up a red flag that I may be wrong, AND I have changed my mind on occasion. The more I've learned, the one thing I become more certain of is how dumb I really am--we human beings really don't know much of anything. As Kierkegaard states, we are treading water over 70 thousand fathoms. And so I am aghast that so many can just go on their merry way assuming they know it all and can shove it down your throat.
 
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I don't want to be contentious, but I think that what makes an extremist stand out is the level to which he takes his certainty in the things that he believes. An extremist isn't able to allow for the chance that someone else might be right. They're just wrong - period. And he is willing to push others to take their faith in his religion as seriously as he does.

The best way to be as unlike an extremist as possible to allow for pluralism and difference of opinion. I don't know you, so I cannot say - but you ask yourself. To what extent are you open to allowing others to have their own opinions in the face of your own conviction?

Who is the ultimate extremist?
Yahweh. One Elohim, one way. First and second commands.
Yeshua. I am THE way, THE truth and THE life. NO ONE comes to the father but by me.
 
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Why is it intolerant that I don't accept your viewpoint, but you are not intolerant for rejecting my viewpoint? I've always been confused about that double standard. See the HR folks aren't trying to get anyone banned, or take over the sub-forum. We certainly aren't breeding for the sake of spreading our religion, cutting off people's heads, or have sex slaves in our closets. HR folks are hardly even participating in this SOP business. In fact many suggestions by two law folks have been adopted. So what do you have to complain about, let alone making insulting accusations? I think I'm the latest member to join who agrees with the one law view and I've been here for many months. There is hardly a "flood" coming in here to "dominate".

Edit: lol so the new member Jason may prove me wrong. Anyway 2 people in almost a year isn't much.
 
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