St. Paul knew Jesus never said there could be adultery without coitus.?

  • Because adultery without coitus is a ridiculous idea.

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Douglas Hendrickson

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A note on I John 3:15
"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."

Seems to be speaking of the one who wishes his brother dead, that seems to be the definition of hating here.
To already want (desire) the brother dead, is to be well on the way to killing him. The way of killing him, one might say.

Just like the one who desires to have adulterous sexual intercourse (adultery) - that person a la Mt. 5:28 is well on the way to being an adulterer, on the way of adultery.

edit: I wonder how the "I" of "I John" can be made to appear in blue like the rest of the reference, so not appear to be the gospel of John. Does anybody know? Would "1 John" work? Ah, it does, if you supply complete ref.. Without roman numerals.
1 John 3:15

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A note on I John 3:15
"Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him."

Seems to be speaking of the one who wishes his brother dead, that seems to be the definition of hating here.
To already want (desire) the brother dead, is to be well on the way to killing him. The way of killing him, one might say.

Just like the one who desires to have adulterous sexual intercourse (adultery) - that person a la Mt. 5:28 is well on the way to being an adulterer, on the way of adultery.

edit: I wonder how the "I" of "I John" can be made to appear in blue like the rest of the reference, so not appear to be the gospel of John. Does anybody know? Would "1 John" work? Ah, it does, if you supply complete ref.. Without roman numerals.
1 John 3:15

edit: I should probably edit out my edit.
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What evidence do you have to support this interpretation?
 
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Cultural and historical context matters. The "holy kiss" referred to in 1 Thessalonians 5:26 was a cultural greeting of the time, much like a handshake in the west expresses a greeting today.

And it still is in much of the world today, including that part of the world.
 
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Romans 16:16
Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the churches of Christ greet you.

1 Corinthians 16:20
All the brethren greet you. Greet one another with a holy kiss.

2 Corinthians 13:12
Greet one another with a holy kiss.

1 Thessalonians 5:26
Greet all the brethren with a holy kiss

"Holy Kiss" of Jesus' time was a brotherly peck on both cheeks.
 
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What evidence do you have to support this interpretation?
Evidence?
Are you asking for a sociological study or something?

It is an understanding of what the terms of the verse mean ...
Do you take issue with any particular part of that understanding?
 
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THEE touch:

Would not the touch of real kissing be more enticing than only seeing from a distance?

So how do we explain that St. Paul recommended kissing and did not say anything about not looking at anybody?

I.e., what does I Thess. 5:26 mean for Mt. 5:28 ?

1 Thessalonians 5: KJV
"26 "Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss."

This type of kissing has nothing to do with anything sexual.. It is common within middle eastern cultures for people to kiss each other on the cheeks when the meet as a form of greeting.. It is the same as a hand shake is in more western cultures.. So there is no conflict between what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5 and what is contained in Matthew 5 ...
 
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Thanks for the link.
So there is a part of the brain that appears to be operating the same way when some particular action is imagined as it does when the action is actually performed ...

This would seem to be showing that merely thinking an action is to be somewhat on the way of actual performance, that the body is "preparing" in some sense to actually perform the action, may be "on the way" of the action itself.

It certainly does not mean merely imagining the action is the action, is to have performed the action.
Clearly everyone knows the imagining itself does NOT include other parts of the body actually functioning in the manner merely imagined.
So in other words, there is no problem distinguishing between actually playing the piano pieces and merely thinking through the playing of the pieces.

It would suggest what one thinks is very important - it was not merely thinking of playing a piano but playing a particular piece - the fingers operating in a very definite manner.
So if one rehearsed in one's mind kissing and otherwise touching another, (even while actually performing those actions), that would NOT be "on the way" of an adulterous coital act UNLESS such an act were also part of the imagining.
In other words, in line with what Jesus said in Mt. 5:28, do not even think (of) actual adultery. And thinking other things is thinking other things.
 
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1 Thessalonians 5: KJV
"26 "Greet all the brethren with an holy kiss."

This type of kissing has nothing to do with anything sexual.. It is common within middle eastern cultures for people to kiss each other on the cheeks when the meet as a form of greeting.. It is the same as a hand shake is in more western cultures.. So there is no conflict between what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 5 and what is contained in Matthew 5 ...
Tell me, how do you figure out, "this type of kissing."?

What can you point to that says a holy kiss would be simply a run of the mill brush of the cheeks?
Are you saying, "Certainly St. Paul would not have requested anything beyond mere formalities that operated in his culture? (Actually what you seem to be saying is "because it is common now in middle eastern cultures ..." )
That makes it holy?

Another way St. Paul phrases it is, "a kiss of love."
In your experience is a kiss of love NOTHING SEXUAL ?
 
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Tell me, how do you figure out, "this type of kissing."?

What can you point to that says a holy kiss would be simply a run of the mill brush of the cheeks?
Are you saying, "Certainly St. Paul would not have requested anything beyond mere formalities that operated in his culture? (Actually what you seem to be saying is "because it is common now in middle eastern cultures ..." )
That makes it holy?

Another way St. Paul phrases it is, "a kiss of love."
In your experience is a kiss of love NOTHING SEXUAL ?

I have given my reply.. And i see no need to elaborate upon it anymore.. If you are not satisfied with my answer then so be it..
 
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