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Featured St. Paul on LOOKING (Mt. 5:28)

Discussion in 'Controversial Christian Theology' started by Douglas Hendrickson, Oct 2, 2017.

  1. Because adultery without coitus is a ridiculous idea.

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  2. Because all his letters would have to be rewritten if this ('saying)' were true.

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  1. Douglas Hendrickson

    Douglas Hendrickson Well-Known Member Supporter

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    THEE touch:

    Would not the touch of real kissing be more enticing than only seeing from a distance?

    So how do we explain that St. Paul recommended kissing and did not say anything about not looking at anybody?

    I.e., what does I Thess. 5:26 mean for Mt. 5:28 ?
     
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  2. SkyWriting

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    A "Holy Kiss" uses far less tongue than French Kissing
    and so is less erotic that looking lustfully at a married women.

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  3. redleghunter

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    Can you add a survey answer which says "Jesus meant what He said."

    Thanks.
     
  4. Douglas Hendrickson

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    "JESUS MEANT WHAT HE SAID," that heart is so much a part of it, if it is in the heart then it is like it already happened. The same thing, adultery already I tell yah.

    (Of course anyone who interprets
    that to mean, "there is no adultery when there is 'adultery'," has to be wrong - when the adultery happens there is actual adultery.) "That comma ...
     
  5. redleghunter

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    Your OP Doug. Was just looking for a poll option which disagrees with your assessment. There isn't one. That's fine as again your OP.
     
  6. Douglas Hendrickson

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    "Please correct me if I am wrong."
    Yes, I think I have to?

    How can it be properly understood if it reads, "is less erotic that looking lustfully at a married women"?
    (You sure were boozing it that time. Oh, it's just the subject matter, I understand.)

    So do we, do we "in," correct it to, "is less erotic than looking lustfully at a married woman"?
    (Certain types of love er lust might be more problematic.)
    I still suspect it might be your personal little theory.

    I DO LIKE YOUR PICTURE!
    Not your avatar or whatever it is - that with "LOVE WINS" is too problematic to me, too liable to be about perversion these days.
     
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  7. Douglas Hendrickson

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    I think I just pointed out I agree with my assessment.

    I mean with your assessment, of course.
     
  8. SkyWriting

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    The message is that greeting with a "Holy Kiss"
    has zero erotisim associated with it, so you just
    need to do better research.

    LOVE WINS

    4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no account of wrongs. 6 Love takes no pleasure in evil, but rejoices in the truth. 7 It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

    8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be restrained; where there is knowledge, it will be dismissed. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial passes away.

    11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I set aside childish ways. 12 Now we see but a dim reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

    13And now these three remain: faith, hope, and love; but the greatest of these is love.

    Love Covers Over

    Proverbs 17:9
    He who conceals a transgression seeks love, But he who repeats a matter separates intimate friends.

    1 Peter 4:8
    Above all, love one another deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.

    1 Corinthians 13:4
    Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.

    Proverbs 10:12
    Hatred stirs up strife, But love covers all transgressions.

    1 Peter 1:22
    Since you have purified your souls by obedience to the truth, so that you have a genuine love for your brothers, love one another deeply, from a pure heart.

    LOVE WINS


    When you embrace hate, you begin to lessen your respect for all other people, your respect for country music, your respect for crowds, your respect for people who go to Las Vegas, your respect for your own life.
    A Mass Shooting at a Country-Music Concert in Las Vegas
    Las Vegas shooter killed himself after massacre
     
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  9. SkyWriting

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    No boozing that week. But I've had a few toasts at a funeral lately.
     
  10. SkyWriting

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    It is an avatar, and it is about what you think.

    Love Wins - over all hangups over opinions of who one thinks others should love.

    Proverbs 17:9
    He who conceals a transgression seeks love, But he who repeats a matter separates intimate friends.

    Proverbs 30:33
    For the churning of milk produces butter, And pressing the nose brings forth blood; So the churning of anger produces strife.
     
  11. Douglas Hendrickson

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    What kind of research would one need to do to better understand what you were saying? Would I have gotten your original post to "zero" without your help? Surely the response I gave was the correct one, in that you have "revised" so it is perhaps easier to understand.

    Are to trying to say in all the history of two thousand years nobody ever considered a "holy kiss" could be erotic? If so then you have done the research and merely need to share it with us.

    So, "the message is"; is this some message From On High, or YOUR message from on high?
     
  12. Douglas Hendrickson

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    I repeat your quote of I Cor. 13:6,
    Do you believe there should never be any hatred, that no one should ever hate evil?
     
  13. SkyWriting

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    I just spent the weekend with my extended family.
    I'm pretty good at spotting evil and my "perverted" family
    members are not evil. Not even close. Yes, they are delightful.
    And delightful parents of delightful grown children.

    Neither are many of my "perverted" neighbors I've known for
    over a decade. Not even close.

    So your definition of evil has been corrupted by others.
     
  15. 1213

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    Kissing is not same as lusting after neighbor’s wife, at least it was not hen Paul lived.
     
  16. RDKirk

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    Males in the Middle East greet each other with kisses every day.

    Everyone else in the last two thousand years has known that.
     
  17. Douglas Hendrickson

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    I gave you NO definition of evil except that it requires hatred.

    That you want to be defensive of your family is fine - I didn't define them as perverted or evil.
     
  18. Douglas Hendrickson

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    IRRELEVANT.

    We should not look to some culture's norm, either now or then.
     
  19. RDKirk

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    Of course it's relevant to understand what the author intended. We may as well otherwise toss out all of Jesus' parables.

    It's certainly not as though even today a kiss necessarily indicates sexual intimacy.

    I kiss my children with never a sexual thought.

    People today still do "air kisses" with never a sexual thought.

    There is still lots of Platonic kissing going on. Everyone knows that. I don't believe you don't know that.

    This is a made-up controversy.
     
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  20. SkyWriting

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    Evil is separation from God. There is no indication that hatred is required.
    Hatred is actually closer to love. You hate that you can't control those you
    love or their situations. Apathy is closer to evil.
     
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