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St. Patrick kept the 7th Day Sabbath!

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...see this... And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, Acts 2:46

...but "continuing daily" does not negate the "commandment" of God in regards to the 7th Day.

Please see Romans 6 in regards to the Resurrection.

That's not the point. The point is that it was never wrong to assemble for worship on Sundays, and it wasn't the "Christian Sabbath." No commandment was needed.
 
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I don't know about you guys, but I worship God every day of the week, not just one.

I used to be "Catholic".

This [comment above] is not in contention, for I too worship God every day of the week, all month long, all year long, etc. Many scriptures on that. Again, that does not negate the "commandment" in regards to the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God.

Yes, a Christian is to love and worship GOD every day [Psalms 55:17, 119:164; Daniel 6:10,13; Philippians 4:4; 1 Thessalonians 5:17], BUT to do so, requires obedience to HIS Will [Psalms 40:8] and to "rest" upon The 7th Day Sabbath and to "keep" it Holy as HE [As LORD, KING and GOD] has Asked and Commanded. GOD "made" that particular day Holy. The 4th Commandment is the only one with the word "Holy" in it...
 
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That's not the point. ...

Here is the point.

Gatherings on any day are not against scripture, hence prayer meetings, Bible studies, choir, on any day; etc., yet none of those things replaces the need to obey God in the 4th Commandment.

We are to keep the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God holy.

So if one "worships" on 'sunday' and yet does not knowingly honour God in His Commandment in regards to the 7th Day, which is His, then one does not really worship God on any day...
 
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I used to be "Catholic".

This [comment above] is not in contention, for I too worship God every day of the week, all month long, all year long, etc. Many scriptures on that. Again, that does not negate the "commandment" in regards to the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God.

Yes, a Christian is to love and worship GOD every day [Psalms 55:17, 119:164; Daniel 6:10,13; Philippians 4:4; 1 Thessalonians 5:17], BUT to do so, requires obedience to HIS Will [Psalms 40:8] and to "rest" upon The 7th Day Sabbath and to "keep" it Holy as HE [As LORD, KING and GOD] has Asked and Commanded. GOD "made" that particular day Holy. The 4th Commandment is the only one with the word "Holy" in it...

Do you believe that the concept of "God" is the same between the Catholic and SDA Church 3AM?
...One Church believes that God can't ever fail while the other Church believed that God could have failed.
...Would you say that's the "same God"?
 
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I used to be "Catholic".

This [comment above] is not in contention, for I too worship God every day of the week, all month long, all year long, etc. Many scriptures on that. Again, that does not negate the "commandment" in regards to the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God.

Yes, a Christian is to love and worship GOD every day [Psalms 55:17, 119:164; Daniel 6:10,13; Philippians 4:4; 1 Thessalonians 5:17], BUT to do so, requires obedience to HIS Will [Psalms 40:8] and to "rest" upon The 7th Day Sabbath and to "keep" it Holy as HE [As LORD, KING and GOD] has Asked and Commanded. GOD "made" that particular day Holy. The 4th Commandment is the only one with the word "Holy" in it...

So, do you rest on the Sabbath according to God's clearly expressed commandments or do you do the SDA thing in contradiction to the commandments of God in the OT?
 
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I used to be "Catholic".

This [comment above] is not in contention, for I too worship God every day of the week, all month long, all year long, etc. Many scriptures on that. Again, that does not negate the "commandment" in regards to the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God.

Yes, a Christian is to love and worship GOD every day [Psalms 55:17, 119:164; Daniel 6:10,13; Philippians 4:4; 1 Thessalonians 5:17], BUT to do so, requires obedience to HIS Will [Psalms 40:8] and to "rest" upon The 7th Day Sabbath and to "keep" it Holy as HE [As LORD, KING and GOD] has Asked and Commanded. GOD "made" that particular day Holy. The 4th Commandment is the only one with the word "Holy" in it...
That appears to be correct......interesting

http://www.christianforums.com/t1457666-101/
Why worry about the Ten Commandments, if you are disregarding the Sabbath?
It has been amusing to me, here in the United States, regarding all the recent concern that Christian judges, churches, and organizations have regarding the removal of various historic monuments of the Ten Commandments in public places, like court houses, capital buildings, parks, etc., etc., while the majority of Christians in favor of the their not being removed are not keeping the 4th Commandment [7th day Sabbath]. The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), could easily point out this inconsistency to the embarassment of those Christians calling for the Ten Commandments to not be removed on the grounds that their visibility in public places will discourage lawlessness, while the very same Christians are being "lawless" by breaking the 4th Commandment.
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The traditional account of the Ten Commandments is found in Exodus 20:1-17. The immediate context of the account begins at Exodus 19:1 --

Rotherham) Exodus 20:1 And God spake all these words saying:--
2 I, am Yahweh thy God,--who have brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of servants:--

3 Thou shalt not have other gods besides me.

4 Thou shalt not make to thee an image, or any form, that is in the heavens above,--or that is in the earth beneath,--or that is in the waters beneath the earth: 5 thou shalt not bow thyself down to them nor be led to serve them--For, I, Yahweh, thy God, am a jealous GOD, visiting the iniquity of fathers upon sons, unto three [generations] and, unto four, of them that hate me; 6 but shewing lovingkindness unto thousands [of generations],--of them who love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not utter the name of Yahweh thy God for falsehood, for Yahweh will not let him go unpunished who uttereth his name for falsehood.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to hallow it: Six days, shalt thou labour, and do all thy work;but the seventh day is a sabbath unto Yahweh thy God,--thou shalt do no work, thou nor thy son nor thy daughter nor thy servant, nor thy handmaid, nor thy beast, nor thy sojourner who is within thy gates.
For in six days, did Yahweh make the heavens and the earth, [and] the sea--and all that in them is, and rested on the seventh day,--for this cause, Yahweh blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.
 
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So, do you rest on the Sabbath according to God's clearly expressed commandments or do you do the SDA thing in contradiction to the commandments of God in the OT?
Also, do the SDAs keep it any more different than the MJs and Jews?
 
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The whole thing seems weird to me when I think about it. We have our SDA friends constantly insisting that the test of true fidelity to God is Sabbath observance in the way they keep it, but when it comes to a dozen other very foundational beliefs that mark traditional Christianity, they either don't care to join with us or, in any case, never talk about it. I can't bring myself to believe that if I worship on the right day of the week, much of the rest of what we know from the Bible is not worth considering.
 
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That's not the point. The point is that it was never wrong to assemble for worship on Sundays, and it wasn't the "Christian Sabbath." No commandment was needed.
:amen: That's exactly what the scriptures proves.

SDA use questions and reasoning to establish a Sat/Sun change that will never happen unless Monday becomes Tuesday.
Finding individuals who kept Sabbath through early church history does help to expose that Sunday was kept by the majority of Christians.
 
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There was no need for a commandment because Sunday was not the "new Sabbath." Christians didn't need a commandment to begin assembling for worship on Sundays, and it is not a sin to go to church on Sunday or any other day.

You just exposed your basis for doctrine, basically you can do whatever you want regardless of the 10 Commandments or the example of Jesus! That is the same mindset that secular people have, they just do whatever they wish ignoring the will of God.
 
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I used to be "Catholic".

This [comment above] is not in contention, for I too worship God every day of the week, all month long, all year long, etc. Many scriptures on that. Again, that does not negate the "commandment" in regards to the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God.

Yes, a Christian is to love and worship GOD every day [Psalms 55:17, 119:164; Daniel 6:10,13; Philippians 4:4; 1 Thessalonians 5:17], BUT to do so, requires obedience to HIS Will [Psalms 40:8] and to "rest" upon The 7th Day Sabbath and to "keep" it Holy as HE [As LORD, KING and GOD] has Asked and Commanded. GOD "made" that particular day Holy. The 4th Commandment is the only one with the word "Holy" in it...
Yes but Jeremiah 31:31-34 does effectively show this would occur. One can't forget Hosea 2:11 either. No one these days observes the Sabbath of the Lord thy God as outlined in the law or even the stone tablets. It both the law and the stone tablets have been redefined to meet your practice and teaching.
 
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:amen: That's exactly what the scriptures proves.

SDA use questions and reasoning to establish a Sat/Sun change that will never happen unless Monday becomes Tuesday.
Finding individuals who kept Sabbath through early church history does help to expose that Sunday was kept by the majority of Christians.

The majority have always been wrong. Sunday gradually gained traction in Christian history not because of a Scripture basis, but because tradition crept into the church mostly via the growth of Roman Catholicism and its enormous amount of man made traditions, of which Sunday was its masterpiece!
 
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The whole thing seems weird to me when I think about it. We have our SDA friends constantly insisting that the test of true fidelity to God is Sabbath observance in the way they keep it, but when it comes to a dozen other very foundational beliefs that mark traditional Christianity, they either don't care to join with us or, in any case, never talk about it. I can't bring myself to believe that if I worship on the right day of the week, much of the rest of what we know from the Bible is not worth considering.
They also teach one can't have salvation without observation of their sabbath (sabbath according to their rules).
 
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The majority have always been wrong. Sunday gradually gained traction in Christian history not because of a Scripture basis, but because tradition crept into the church mostly via the growth of Roman Catholicism and its enormous amount of man made traditions, of which Sunday was its masterpiece!


Where did this historical revision even come from? The Roman Catholic Church is hardly the only Sunday-worship denomination (remember the EO, for example) and had not come into existence when Sunday worship became common in the history of Christianity.
 
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You just exposed your basis for doctrine, basically you can do whatever you want regardless of the 10 Commandments or the example of Jesus! That is the same mindset that secular people have, they just do whatever they wish ignoring the will of God.
Please show us exactly where in the NT a command exists to keep the sabbath.
 
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The majority have always been wrong. Sunday gradually gained traction in Christian history not because of a Scripture basis, but because tradition crept into the church mostly via the growth of Roman Catholicism and its enormous amount of man made traditions, of which Sunday was its masterpiece!
No worshipping on Sunday can be shown to be mid 1st Century with the Bible no less.
 
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Yes but Jeremiah 31:31-34 does effectively show this would occur. One can't forget Hosea 2:11 either. No one these days observes the Sabbath of the Lord thy God as outlined in the law or even the stone tablets. It both the law and the stone tablets have been redefined to meet your practice and teaching.

You take two obscure texts to try and do away with the most clear examples and texts in the Bible, namely, the 10 Commandments in Exodus 20 and Jesus example of Sabbath keeping in the Gospels, these two pieces of evidence easily trump the two texts that keep quoting. It shows your desperation in finding some kind of evidence to do away with the Sabbath that you keep quoting those two obscure texts from Jeremiah and Hosea. Its funny how you say the OT has been done away with, but if you can find a text in the OT that you can twist in a complicated fashion to do away with God's Holy Law you take and run with it. The fact of the matter is that Jer. 31: 33, states that God Holy Law will be implanted in God's people's hearts. If God Law is in your heart and mind you will be found keeping the 7th day Sabbath, because it is one of the 10 Commandments!

"This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the LORD.
I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people."

Hosea 2:11;

"I will stop all her celebrations:
her yearly festivals, her New Moons,
her Sabbath days—all her appointed festivals."

This text is simply referring to the ceremonial sabbath days (note, plural), which referred to the ceremonial law, which indeed done away with, which was written on paper not stone. The Commandments were not ceremonial in nature, but were purely moral, and they stand forever.
 
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In the hour when an individual is brought before the heavenly court for judgement, the person is asked:

Did you conduct your [business] affairs honestly?

Did you set aside regular time for Torah study?

Did you work at having children?

Did you look forward to the world's redemption? (Babylonian Talmud, Shabbat 31a)

Note that the first question asked in heaven is not "Did you believe in God?" or "Did you observe all the rituals?" but "Were you honest in business?" Unfortunately, despite many texts that insist on the primacy of ethics, most Jews associate being religious solely with observing rituals. Throughout the Jewish community, when one asks, "Is so-and-so a religious Jew?" the response invariably is based on the person's observance of ritual laws: "He (or she) keeps kosher and observes the Sabbath; he is religious" or "She does not keep kosher of observe the Sabbath; she is not religious."

From such responses, one could easily conclude that Judaism regards ethical behavior as an "extracurricular activity." something desirable but not essential.

The above passage unequivocally asserts that ethics is at Judaism's core; God's first concern is with a person's decency. (Jewish Wisdom. Page 3, Rabbi Joseph Telushkin)

Wouldn't it be wise for those who would 'push' to have us practise the laws of Judaism first learn how those laws prioritize our conduct? It's just a thought.
 
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