St. Junipero Serra statue torn down in San Francisco Park

[JIMINZ]

Except I didn't say that it isn't the same flag because it now has 50 stars, did I? Perhaps you should try what is written. The current flag wasn't adopted until 1960, so it wouldn't have been official before then.

Using your reasoning, we would be responsible for any atroThe cities committed against Native Americans by any predecessor nations whose land we now control by either purchase or conquest. That would make the US responsible for anything done by Sweden, the Netherlands, Russia, France, Spain, Mexico and the United Kingdom. I don't think so.

You also ignored my statement that Native Americans have served in the US military to a higher ratio per capita than any other ethnic group. The vast majority of them don't see the US flag as being oppressive. As I said before, my grandmother, who was half Shoshone, was proud to fly the US flag.



No, Civil War statues of Confederate leaders honor men who were traitors, who violated oaths that they had taken to preserve, uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Many of them were put up by racist organizations, some specifically to intimidate blacks. Such statues only belong on battlefields, where they help explain what happened, or at burial sites.

That's right, take the simple understanding an extrapolate it into oblivion, then you can claim victory.......Good Job.

 

[Archivist]

That's right, take the simple understanding an extrapolate it into oblivion, then you can claim victory.......Good Job.

You didn’t address what I said. Of course I can claim victory.

 

[Christian Sonic Fan]

I'm going to put a statue of Barny and Kermit the Frog up because they didn't own slaves and take down the ones of Joe Smoe because he did.

The logic in this stuff is hilarious. We really are on the verge of another civil war.

We midaswell add it to this list now

List of wars involving the United States - Wikipedia

 

[fewme]

You didn’t address what I said. Of course I can claim victory.

Oh please, please, victory, in an Internet forum, come on, it's 1997 again? Let it flow

 

[fewme]

I'm going to put a statue of Barny and Kermit the Frog up because they didn't own slaves and take down the ones of Joe Smoe because he did.
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I'd suggest King Peter, Queen Susan, King Edmund and Queen Lucy

 

[Archivist]

Oh please, please, victory, in an Internet forum, come on, it's 1997 again? Let it flow

Try reading the post to which I was responding, the one that didn’t address anything that I said, the one that said I could claim victory.

 

[fewme]

Try reading the post to which I was responding, the one that didn’t address anything that I said, the one that said I could claim victory.

I did. Not that I did particularly like either.

 

[Archivist]

I did. Not that I did particularly like either.

I was just doing what that person said to do. I don’t care whether you like it or not. Perhaps you should instead respond to what I said in post 20 since you don’t like my claim of victory.

 

[fewme]

I was just doing what that person said to do. I don’t care whether you like it or not. Perhaps you should instead respond to what I said in post 20 since you don’t like my claim of victory.

I don't like _any_ claims of victory.

And worry not, for every two debate victories over the internet and 100 cents, they give you a dollar

 

[Archivist]

I don't like _any_ claims of victory.

And worry not, for every two debate victories over the internet and 100 cents, they give you a dollar

Conversation ended. I see you are fairly new here. Your posts are off topic.

 

[fewme]

Conversation ended. I see you are fairly new here. Your posts are off topic.

See? You've got another victory. Just 100 cents more for a free dollar.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Grant’s war record was despicable. He showed little regard for the lives of his own troops, and he burned numerous American cities to the ground.

Yet I oppose his statue’s removal. It’s not for me, or anybody else, to tell Southerners how to remember the Civil War, and if San Francisco wants to put up a statue to Grant, that is their choice.

 

[Archivist]

Grant’s war record was despicable. He showed little regard for the lives of his own troops, and he burned numerous American cities to the ground.

Grant had a high number of causalities. He knew that the Union could replace lost me, the south could not. He essentially ran Lee out of soldiers.

I think you are confusing Grant and Sherman. It was Sherman who burned Atlanta and other southern cities. Richmond burned after Grant captured it, but that fire was actually started by retreating Confederate troops who didn't want the north to capture cotton and tobacco in warehouses. Once the fire started it spread quickly and destroyed much of the city.

Yet I oppose his statue’s removal. It’s not for me, or anybody else, to tell Southerners how to remember the Civil War, and if San Francisco wants to put up a statue to Grant, that is their choice.

I don't think any statue should be removed illegally.