Spotlight on Heresy

Bible Highlighter · Jan 4, 2020

DeepWater said:
You're right. Some of us didnt come to the Grace of God because I was born under a church pew and my parents lived in the choir loft.
Im not a "papa called and a mama chosen".
Some of us, before we were given the beautiful GIFT of The precious Grace of God as our eternal life, were not quite as perfect as some of the mean spirited carnal pretenders you find on forums like this one...

I have no idea why God called a nothing like me to be a Teacher Evangelist.
He called my older bro to be a paster late in his life, and he called my younger bro to be a missionary, and he's been one in the Ukraine for 20 yrs +
He's there right now with his family. They live there. They build churches, Pastor, work with street orphans, ...the whole deal. The real deal.
As all i could do as a talent in life, for the most part, was play music, be a helpful person, contain a bit of wisdom, and be willing to fight back.
Sure i am Seminary trained but, what i learned from God, that matters most, is to keep the CROSS RAISED, ABOVE ALL.

There is an epidemic of anti-Cross rebels in this world, who also live on forums and do nothing but chop down the Cross with every thread, every post, and try to replace it with SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS.

WE, you and I, and many others here who love Jesus, but are not so ready to stand up just yet perhaps...., understand that that BLOOD OF JESUS is the most Precious Thing.
And the Power of that precious Blood to REDEEM for all Eternity is something to SHOUT ABOUT, as well as DEFEND.

Not really. Most churches these days teach a sin and still be saved belief (i.e. Belief Alone-ism).

Bible Highlighter · Jan 4, 2020

John the Baptist was against Belief Alone-ism. He said to the Pharisees “do not think to say within yourselves we have Abraham our father.” For they thought they were saved by simply being sons of Abraham.

For it is written:

“Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father...”
(Matthew 3:8-9).

Jesus was against Belief Alone-ism.

The Pharisees said,
“...Abraham is our father.”

Jesus said unto them,

“If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham.” (John 8:39).

So if you want to know that God is against Belief Alone-ism, just remember the number 39.

Matthew 3:9.
John 8:39.

expos4ever · Jan 4, 2020

For starters, I see no Biblical argument in favour of imputation of Christs (or God’s) righteousness to the believer.

Sam91 · Jan 4, 2020

expos4ever said:
For starters, I see no Biblical argument in favour of imputation of Christs (or God’s) righteousness to the believer.

As much as I disagree with the OP I think that comes from 2 Corinthians 5:21

Personally, I prefer to think of being clothed in Christ and that still seems a wonderous privilege.

expos4ever · Jan 4, 2020

Sam91 said:
As much as I disagree with the OP O think that comes from 2 Corinthians 5:21

Personally, I prefer to think of being clothed in Christ and that still seems a wonderous privilege.

I believe that Paul is saying we become agents for implementing the righteous plan of God. I gave studied this isue deeply: I do not see how Scripture teaches that we are imputed with Jesus’s righteousness. I agree we are imputed the status of righteousness, but not Christ’s righteousness.

Sam91 · Jan 4, 2020

expos4ever said:
I believe that Paul is saying we become agents for implementing the righteous plan of God. I gave studied this isue deeply: I do not see how Scripture teaches that we are imputed with Jesus’s righteousness. I agree we are imputed the status of righteousness, but not Christ’s righteousness.

Without having studied it persay, Christ's righteousness is the embodiment of Holiness and something to be held in reverent awe. When one speaks of it I think it ought not to be done lightly and in complete humility and love to those around them and with thankfulness to God that His righteousness saves us. I think that's why I prefer to think of myself as clothed in Christ. It reminds of His provision, Lordship and makes me feel safe, sheltered by Him and humbled.

Neogaia777 · Jan 5, 2020

HTacianas said:
The free gift of God is that He has forgiven our previous sins. But he requires that we stop committing them.

It is how that is done or accomplished that determines whether or not it is truly heresy or not.

And if it is done by primarily "you", etc.

In that case, you fall into a trap and are voluntarily deceived by a self-deception, and will think you are seeing success with sin when it is actually quite the very much exact opposite, etc.

Which really upsets me when I see people like this, etc, and especially when they are spreading it, promoting it, and teaching it, etc...

As it very well should, etc...

And if it's offensive and "stinks" to me, I can almost guarantee you it is or does to God too.

Might as well spit in His face and stomp on His book, etc.

They seem completely unaware that they are not only making their own sin worse, but others sins as well, completely unaware that they are not walking in "the true way", etc, oblivious to the damage they are doing, and they are not teaching or promoting Christ or the true Gospel at all, but an "anti-Gospel", and are actually going against Christ, and everything He taught or wanted to happen with us, and some of them, might even be "anti-Christ"...

God Bless!

Neogaia777 · Jan 5, 2020

All God and none of you, or it's rubbish, garbage, dirty filthy rags, etc, guarantee you "stinks" to God and is an "offensive odor" in His nostrils, etc...

Either God does the work in and through you, and it's not you doing it, or He doesn't...

You choose.

God Bless!

DeepWater · Jan 5, 2020

HTacianas said:
I've read the bible. Most every version. Believe me, you are wrong.

I don't say that to you directly, but to those reading what you've written. I don't want them led astray.

Listen Heretics...

"Pauline Theology" does not lead anyone astray. Trust me.
Its all i teach.
And the reason you don't know what that is, most of you, is because you have never had a real born again Teacher show you the most basic and simple truths "baby christian" truth's regarding WHAT PAUL TEACHES, as "justification by Faith" that came from Jesus Himself.
Paul said, "be followers of Me, as i follow Christ".
Thats what i do, and the reason you don't, is because you don't know what you are doing, much less what to BELIEVE.......
See, and UNDERSTAND that i only teach the prime principle of the Grace of God, as given ONLY To Paul, by Christ, Directly.

The reason that 70% of the NT is penned by Paul, is because God anointed this Apostle, above all others to be the one who delivers all the doctrine of "justification by Faith" to the Church.
Everything we understand about the "blood atonement", "the gift of Righteousness", "faith without works", "justification by faith".. the understanding that water baptism can't save anyone..
Everything that REAL BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS are to understand regarding HOW and THRU WHOM Salvation is delivered to us.... Comes from the TEACHING OF PAUL.
And that is what im giving you. So, you think you are fighting me, but you are actually fighting Paul's Truth. You are contradicting the CROSS

So, HERETICS.// before you jump in with something else that is your "works for salvation" based idea that rejects the NT, let me stop you, as you and others here are about to talk about PETER and Acts 2:38, which is not the Gospel, but is the preaching message of John the Baptist....."repent and be baptized"......That is what he was preching to ISRAEL.
So, do you hear anything about "believe on the Lord JESUS", in the words "repent and be baptized"?
NOPE.
And that dying Thief on the Cross, who BELIEVED ON JESUS, and was born again....Was he water baptized on that Cross for the "remission of His sin"?
NOPE.
NOT QUITE....... So be careful with what you try to teach, HERETICS.....so that you are not found lying again about how salvation is gained, and by what MEANS.

And let me tell you 2 more things regarding Peter...

1.) Acts 10, is about 10 yrs after Jesus ascended back into heaven... And GOD had to teach PETER , by a VISION, that Gentiles could be saved, as Peter didn't know it yet. So, obviously he didnt know anything YET about the Grace of God., 10 yrs after Christ is back into Heaven.... Later in Acts 15, when Paul got together with all the Apostles, they were taught "Pauline Theology", same as im teaching you HERE.

2.) IN 2nd Petter. .. Peter says that Paul's LETTERS are "SCRIPTURE"......equal to the TORAH.
See, there was no New Testament written at that time.....
So, here you have an original Apostle, who is stating that the words written by another Apostle, who was NOT one of the Original 12, ..= that Paul's letters are EQUAL TO THE TORAH..= SCRIPTURE.
And now, we see that Peter was right.....as Paul is the author of 70% of the New TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES>.

Cross Rejectors here, who are always found creating devil inspired chaos on Christian Forums, are ALWAYS FOUND trying to save themselves with their works.
They have rejected Christ's Blood as the ONLY THING THAT GOD Accepts to redeem you and keep you redeemed... So, all you HERETICS would do well to be quiet and listen to what im teaching, as im only teaching what Paul teaches... to try to show you why and how you have "fallen from GRACE".
You need to get yourself off the Cross, and stop contradicting it with your LIST of self saving DEEDS.
You need to do it today.

IntriKate · Jan 5, 2020

Of course God wants us to follow his commands but he knows we can try and may fail and keep trying that’s why he died for us so that in our weaknesses he is our strength. He sees the heart and our intentions and he loves us even in our failure.

lsume · Jan 5, 2020

DeepWater said:
Imagine a forum where those who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb, and who have God's Righteousness imputed to them, could celebrate together the Joy of Salvation, the Joy of the Lord, and find deep teaching for their spirit and rest for their soul.

Imagine a forum where Grace rules in the hearts of the born again, and all Threads that teach LEGALISM = Galatians 1:8 : false Gospels related to "self saving", "commandment keeping to stay saved".. "keeping the Torah to stay saved". "joining a certain church to stay saved" "repenting to stay saved", "confessing sin to stay saved"... all of this "FLESH", Galatians 3 these works of the flesh, that are preached as a hellish substitute and cursed of God denial of the Blood Atonement and the Cross, were eliminated permanently.

Imagine a forum where Moderators and Owners instantly recognize the work of heretics, and understand that JOB
#1 is to protect real born again believers from being
harmed by their devil designed Theology, and do not allow them to remain on the forum according to Paul's doctrine :

Titus 3:10 : """ A person that is a heretic after the first and second admonition, REJECT."""

Imagine a forum where everyone understands that God saved you only once, and keeps you saved Himself. Philippians 1:6

What a Forum of LIGHT that Forum would be.

But instead...........

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So, let me explain for you exactly where a Believer stops being a believer and starts being a heretic. We go to Paul, as he defined them. He says of them in Galatians 3.... "who has tricked you, bewitched you, fooled you, deceived you", so that you have stopped trusting in Christ alone FOR salvation, both to be saved and to STAY saved, and now you are returned BELIEVING THAT keeping the Law, obeying the commandments, and doing WORKS, = YOUR GOSPEL. = YOUR FAITH...... and That is "flesh". Its Carnal, Its a person who is "fallen from Grace", back into the "flesh", and is now hanging on their own cross of self righteousness.... according to Paul.

"Self Righteousness", = trying to make yourself RIGHT with God, by your WORKS ,EFFORT, DEEDS, LIFESTYLE. = "commandment keeping, law keeping, obedience keeping,, repenting, confessing, church membership, holy living"....

See, the problem isn't doing all that......all those works, but the Legalist, the Heretic, has exchanged them for the CROSS. And that is why they never talk, preach, or teach, about THE CROSS, or the Blood of Jesus.

NEVER !!

They instead talk about their "new" savior......Which is themselves, , and they have their list that they have exchanged for Jesus on the Cross. This list is always the same list, no matter the heretic. Paul said this list is "FLESH", and that is because where a LIST has replaced the Blood Atonement...then Jesus is no longer being counted worthy as the One who saves them and keeps them saved.

Here is how it works.... This is the NT math... = If you are born again, and are trying to keep yourself out of Hell, or trying to get yourself into Heaven, ... then you are not Trusting in Christ at all. You are trusting in YOU. and so, Your faith is DEAD.

This is why the proof of heresy, is always one thing.........always........ The heretic, who Paul describes as in the "flesh", fallen from Grace"< will never be able to truthfully say that they are Trusting in Christ alone, to keep them saved..... This is why "once saved always saved" is the Proof test that illuminates all heretics, beginning in Paul's day, till the 2nd Advent.

Listen Reader.. Someone saves you and keeps you saved. And its not you. So, when you are being taught that it IS YOU...then you are hearing what Paul defined as "another Gospel". Galatians 1:8

Heretics can't agree with OSAS, as it would not be true that they believe that Christ saved them and Keeps them saved.. They are trusting in themselves to get into heaven and stay out of Hell, and that is why they only talk talk talk talk about commandments, and works, and live to oppose Grace.

Grace teaches that there is ONE SAVIOR, and He is the Lord Jesus The Christ. And His Blood that has made you the "righteousness of Christ" and an "heir of God", and a "joint heir with Jesus", and "accepted in the Beloved", is why and ONLY WHY.... you go to heaven and not to hell.

Thats the Gospel. There is no Other. Jesus Himself is Salvation. Jesus Himself is Grace. We are sinners who God allows into Heaven, only because of JESUS.

Any other Gospel that you will hear, that does not give all Credit to Christ Alone for saving you and keeping you saved, is a false Gospel.

First as I pray you know, those who are Truly enlightened understand and hear only The Truth from Christ. This cannot be explained to anyone who has not experienced it for themselves. Your introductory description sounds very nice though doubtful that it’s real anywhere.

expos4ever · Jan 5, 2020

DeepWater said:
Listen Heretics...
....
And that is what im giving you. So, you think you are fighting me, but you are actually fighting Paul's Truth. You are contradicting the CROSS

So, HERETICS.//....
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Cross Rejectors here, who are always found creating devil inspired chaos on Christian Forums,...

Wow, quite the sermon.

I politely suggest I am not the only reader who has noticed that your general tone is quite patronizing towards those who might have a different interpretation of Biblical texts than you.

In any event, I think I am prepared to challenge you on a number of points of theology in the interest of mutually converging on Biblical truth.

Two points to begin with:

1. I do not believe that scripture teaches that believers are imputed with the righteousness of Christ (or, equivalently, God the Father). I know this is a widely-held doctrine but some respected theologians (e.g. NT Wright) challenge it. I believe we are indeed imputed a status of righteousness, but it is not the righteousness of Christ or God.

2. Work and Salvation: I believe that Paul has been largely misunderstood in the reformed tradition. When he denies "salvation by works" - which I agree he certainly does - I suggest that context shows that he is talking about salvation by keeping the dictates of the Law of Moses; he is not, I suggest, denying that we need to live moral lives to be saved. Quite the contrary: In Romans 2:6-7, and elsewhere, Paul clearly affirms that we need to "persist in doing good" in order to be granted final salvation. Now, obviously, Paul also clearly asserts that our justification and salvation (not the same concepts, albeit linked) are based on faith alone. Well, we can talk about how these seemingly contradictory positions can be reconciled without have to deny that works do indeed matter.

expos4ever · Jan 5, 2020

Sam91 said:
Without having studied it persay, Christ's righteousness is the embodiment of Holiness and something to be held in reverent awe. When one speaks of it I think it ought not to be done lightly and in complete humility and love to those around them and with thankfulness to God that His righteousness saves us. I think that's why I prefer to think of myself as clothed in Christ. It reminds of His provision, Lordship and makes me feel safe, sheltered by Him and humbled.

NT Wright is a respected theologian who argues against the traditional reading of this text. I could try to give his full argument but, to make things easier on all, I will start with a single statement of his that captures his interpretation of what "becoming the righteousness of God" really means in this text:

What the whole passage involves, then, is the idea of the covenant ambassador, who represents the one for whom he speaks in such a full and thorough way that he actually becomes the living embodiment of his sovereign

I do not expect anyone to uncritically accept this interpretation. For starters, let's at least try to agree on what Wright is saying. And then we can debate whether he has a solid case or not. I think that the above statement from Wright is at least understandable (even you do not agree with him).

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