Spotlight on Heresy

[pasifika]

What if a person decides to reject all of that and do their own thing?

Then their condemnation is just!!...Romans 3:8
Since they don't consider the Word of God worthy of Eternal life...Acts 13:46

 

[Mark Quayle]

What if a person decides to reject all of that and do their own thing?

Then, it seems reasonable to say, "they went out from us because they were not of us". What makes anyone think they belonged to Christ, but he was unable to keep them?

 

[Sam91]

Proverbs 3:5-6

This argument would have more weight if the thread was conducted with a humble and loving attitude. I don't see brotherly kindness, and the rest of the fruit of the Spirit within it.

Now, if what is proposed was seriously believed then there would be no need for any negativity or posturing. You see, faith in the Father's sovereignity brings with it peace and peacefulness.

I happen to believe that some of what the OP contains is heretical and don't think the example of a perfect site was beneficial to the tone.

Revelation promises rewards for those who overcome. It is then that we will finally have a new Earth with no more tears. Maybe then that perfect site could exist (but that would pale into insignificance compared to actually worshipping the Lord Almighty). The bible explains why we don't have that now. I think one of those verses has been quoted already.

 

[Maria Billingsley]

Imagine a forum where those who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb, and who have God's Righteousness imputed to them, could celebrate together the Joy of Salvation, the Joy of the Lord, and find deep teaching for their spirit and rest for their soul.

Imagine a forum where Grace rules in the hearts of the born again, and all Threads that teach LEGALISM = Galatians 1:8 : false Gospels related to "self saving", "commandment keeping to stay saved".. "keeping the Torah to stay saved". "joining a certain church to stay saved" "repenting to stay saved", "confessing sin to stay saved"... all of this "FLESH", Galatians 3 these works of the flesh, that are preached as a hellish substitute and cursed of God denial of the Blood Atonement and the Cross, were eliminated permanently.

Imagine a forum where Moderators and Owners instantly recognize the work of heretics, and understand that JOB #1 is to protect real born again believers from being harmed by their devil designed Theology, and do not allow them to remain on the forum according to Paul's doctrine :

Titus 3:10 : """ A person that is a heretic after the first and second admonition, REJECT."""

Imagine a forum where everyone understands that God saved you only once, and keeps you saved Himself. Philippians 1:6

What a Forum of LIGHT that Forum would be.

But instead...........

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So, let me explain for you exactly where a Believer stops being a believer and starts being a heretic. We go to Paul, as he defined them. He says of them in Galatians 3.... "who has tricked you, bewitched you, fooled you, deceived you", so that you have stopped trusting in Christ alone FOR salvation, both to be saved and to STAY saved, and now you are returned BELIEVING THAT keeping the Law, obeying the commandments, and doing WORKS, = YOUR GOSPEL. = YOUR FAITH...... and That is "flesh". Its Carnal, Its a person who is "fallen from Grace", back into the "flesh", and is now hanging on their own cross of self righteousness.... according to Paul.

"Self Righteousness", = trying to make yourself RIGHT with God, by your WORKS ,EFFORT, DEEDS, LIFESTYLE. = "commandment keeping, law keeping, obedience keeping,, repenting, confessing, church membership, holy living"....

See, the problem isn't doing all that......all those works, but the Legalist, the Heretic, has exchanged them for the CROSS. And that is why they never talk, preach, or teach, about THE CROSS, or the Blood of Jesus.

NEVER !!

They instead talk about their "new" savior......Which is themselves, , and they have their list that they have exchanged for Jesus on the Cross. This list is always the same list, no matter the heretic. Paul said this list is "FLESH", and that is because where a LIST has replaced the Blood Atonement...then Jesus is no longer being counted worthy as the One who saves them and keeps them saved.

Here is how it works.... This is the NT math... = If you are born again, and are trying to keep yourself out of Hell, or trying to get yourself into Heaven, ... then you are not Trusting in Christ at all. You are trusting in YOU. and so, Your faith is DEAD.

This is why the proof of heresy, is always one thing.........always........ The heretic, who Paul describes as in the "flesh", fallen from Grace"< will never be able to truthfully say that they are Trusting in Christ alone, to keep them saved..... This is why "once saved always saved" is the Proof test that illuminates all heretics, beginning in Paul's day, till the 2nd Advent.

Listen Reader.. Someone saves you and keeps you saved. And its not you. So, when you are being taught that it IS YOU...then you are hearing what Paul defined as "another Gospel". Galatians 1:8

Heretics can't agree with OSAS, as it would not be true that they believe that Christ saved them and Keeps them saved.. They are trusting in themselves to get into heaven and stay out of Hell, and that is why they only talk talk talk talk about commandments, and works, and live to oppose Grace.

Grace teaches that there is ONE SAVIOR, and He is the Lord Jesus The Christ. And His Blood that has made you the "righteousness of Christ" and an "heir of God", and a "joint heir with Jesus", and "accepted in the Beloved", is why and ONLY WHY.... you go to heaven and not to hell.

Thats the Gospel. There is no Other. Jesus Himself is Salvation. Jesus Himself is Grace. We are sinners who God allows into Heaven, only because of JESUS.

Any other Gospel that you will hear, that does not give all Credit to Christ Alone for saving you and keeping you saved, is a false Gospel.

You did not answer my question in your last post about the same subject.
Do we need to repent from our sins? Simple yes or no will do just fine.
Blessings

 

[friend of]

Moderators and Owners instantly recognize the work of heretics, and understand that JOB #1 is to protect real born again believers from being harmed by their devil designed Theology,

That's rather provocative language. A lot of those you are attacking as so called "legalists" are really well-intentioned followers of God. There is scriptural precedent for a lot of what they say. A quick example is "those who preach against all sin will be called greatest in the kingdom" Matthew 5:19. And "We know that we have come to know him if we keep his commands" 1 John 2:3-4. Without HOLINESS no one will see the Lord Hebrews 12:14.

Ultimately, we are saved by Christ alone. You would be correct. But a lot of so-called loyalists are actually fighting antinomianism, and that is something I must fully support.

 

[Godlovesmetwo]

Look. Im doing my best . OK? I couldnt be putting in any more effort.
It really looks like I could be going to Heaven after all.
I do the occasional sin but all indications are, that I am passing "the test"... which is this life.
God is indeed well pleased.
Just another decade or so of this life and Heaven awaits my triumphant entry!
Praise the Lord! The pain and suffering will be rewarded!
living the dream!

 

[Phillnb26]

Your theology is legalism defined perfectly by Paul

Here is what Paul says

i have spent a lot of time with Paul.

Paul wrote that.

Lots of quotes about Paul this or Paul that....i have just one question. Do you follow Jesus or Paul?

 

[Romansthruphilemon]

Lots of quotes about Paul this or Paul that....i have just one question. Do you follow Jesus or Paul?

If you’re not following Paul you are disobedient to Jesus. Everything Paul wrote came from Jesus.

1 Cor 4:16 Wherefore I beseech you, be ye followers of me.

1 Cor 11:1 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

1 Cor 14:37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the LORD.

 

[Qwertyui0p]

Imagine a forum where those who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb, and who have God's Righteousness imputed to them, could celebrate together the Joy of Salvation, the Joy of the Lord, and find deep teaching for their spirit and rest for their soul.

Imagine a forum where Grace rules in the hearts of the born again, and all Threads that teach LEGALISM = Galatians 1:8 : false Gospels related to "self saving", "commandment keeping to stay saved".. "keeping the Torah to stay saved". "joining a certain church to stay saved" "repenting to stay saved", "confessing sin to stay saved"... all of this "FLESH", Galatians 3 these works of the flesh, that are preached as a hellish substitute and cursed of God denial of the Blood Atonement and the Cross, were eliminated permanently.

Imagine a forum where Moderators and Owners instantly recognize the work of heretics, and understand that JOB #1 is to protect real born again believers from being harmed by their devil designed Theology, and do not allow them to remain on the forum according to Paul's doctrine :

Titus 3:10 : """ A person that is a heretic after the first and second admonition, REJECT."""

Imagine a forum where everyone understands that God saved you only once, and keeps you saved Himself. Philippians 1:6

What a Forum of LIGHT that Forum would be.

But instead...........

==========================================================

So, let me explain for you exactly where a Believer stops being a believer and starts being a heretic. We go to Paul, as he defined them. He says of them in Galatians 3.... "who has tricked you, bewitched you, fooled you, deceived you", so that you have stopped trusting in Christ alone FOR salvation, both to be saved and to STAY saved, and now you are returned BELIEVING THAT keeping the Law, obeying the commandments, and doing WORKS, = YOUR GOSPEL. = YOUR FAITH...... and That is "flesh". Its Carnal, Its a person who is "fallen from Grace", back into the "flesh", and is now hanging on their own cross of self righteousness.... according to Paul.

"Self Righteousness", = trying to make yourself RIGHT with God, by your WORKS ,EFFORT, DEEDS, LIFESTYLE. = "commandment keeping, law keeping, obedience keeping,, repenting, confessing, church membership, holy living"....

See, the problem isn't doing all that......all those works, but the Legalist, the Heretic, has exchanged them for the CROSS. And that is why they never talk, preach, or teach, about THE CROSS, or the Blood of Jesus.

NEVER !!

They instead talk about their "new" savior......Which is themselves, , and they have their list that they have exchanged for Jesus on the Cross. This list is always the same list, no matter the heretic. Paul said this list is "FLESH", and that is because where a LIST has replaced the Blood Atonement...then Jesus is no longer being counted worthy as the One who saves them and keeps them saved.

Here is how it works.... This is the NT math... = If you are born again, and are trying to keep yourself out of Hell, or trying to get yourself into Heaven, ... then you are not Trusting in Christ at all. You are trusting in YOU. and so, Your faith is DEAD.

This is why the proof of heresy, is always one thing.........always........ The heretic, who Paul describes as in the "flesh", fallen from Grace"< will never be able to truthfully say that they are Trusting in Christ alone, to keep them saved..... This is why "once saved always saved" is the Proof test that illuminates all heretics, beginning in Paul's day, till the 2nd Advent.

Listen Reader.. Someone saves you and keeps you saved. And its not you. So, when you are being taught that it IS YOU...then you are hearing what Paul defined as "another Gospel". Galatians 1:8

Heretics can't agree with OSAS, as it would not be true that they believe that Christ saved them and Keeps them saved.. They are trusting in themselves to get into heaven and stay out of Hell, and that is why they only talk talk talk talk about commandments, and works, and live to oppose Grace.

Grace teaches that there is ONE SAVIOR, and He is the Lord Jesus The Christ. And His Blood that has made you the "righteousness of Christ" and an "heir of God", and a "joint heir with Jesus", and "accepted in the Beloved", is why and ONLY WHY.... you go to heaven and not to hell.

Thats the Gospel. There is no Other. Jesus Himself is Salvation. Jesus Himself is Grace. We are sinners who God allows into Heaven, only because of JESUS.

Any other Gospel that you will hear, that does not give all Credit to Christ Alone for saving you and keeping you saved, is a false Gospel.

'Grace is opposed to earning, not to effort' - Dallas Willard
I agree with you, but this shouldn't justify nominal or lukewarm Christianity. We can't earn salvation but we should try to avoid sin. (To the author of this post, I'm not saying your proposing this, just for the people reading the comments)

 

[GOD Shines Forth!]

This argument would have more weight if the thread was conducted with a humble and loving attitude. I don't see brotherly kindness, and the rest of the fruit of the Spirit within it.

Paul was most certainly filled with the Spirit and he said he wished the troublers in Galatia would castrate themselves! He told Titus that the Cretans' own poet was right about them when he said "Cretans are always liars, evil beasts, lazy gluttons." He called the troublers in Philippi "dogs".

God referred to wayward Israel as a harlot. John the Baptist and Jesus both called respected religious leaders "hypocrites" and a "brood of vipers". Etc. Etc.

I like strong language and think many believers are weakened by spiritual mollycoddling. We all need to be offended until we can’t be offended any more. Then we can be more useful since touchiness and preciousness ain’t gonna cut it in this present evil age.

 

[Call me Nic]

The free gift of God is that He has forgiven our previous sins. But he requires that we stop committing them.

Ecclesiastes 7:20.

 

[visionary]

God doesn't change. Not His opinion, His Ways, His Truth, His Life...

 

[Phillnb26]

If you’re not following Paul you are disobedient to Jesus. Everything Paul wrote came from Jesus.

Misquoting Paul to fit some form of hyper-grace doctrine would also be disobedient to Jesus. Jesus never intended on people saying a little prayer and then BOOM saved forever no matter what, live however you want. Jesus tells us that if we love him we should keep his commandments, James exhorts believers to show true faith via trusting and obeying God, and even Peter warns us to not misunderstand Paul.

"He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him." (John 14:21)

"Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works." (James 2:18)

"So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures. 17 You therefore, beloved, knowing this beforehand, beware lest you be carried away with the error of lawless men and lose your own stability." (2 Peter 15-17)

 

[Original Happy Camper]

Jesus came to save us from our sins not in our sins.

"Had not Jacob previously repented of his sin in obtaining the birthright by fraud, God could not have heard his prayer and mercifully preserved his life. So in the time of trouble, if the people of God had unconfessed sins to appear before them while tortured with fear and anguish, they would be overwhelmed; despair would cut off their faith, and they could not have confidence to plead with God for deliverance. But while they have a deep sense of their unworthiness, they will have no concealed wrongs to reveal. Their sins will have been blotted out by the atoning blood of Christ, and they cannot bring them to remembrance. Satan leads many to believe that God will overlook their unfaithfulness in the minor affairs of life; but the Lord shows in His dealing with Jacob that He can in no wise sanction or tolerate evil. All who endeavor to excuse or conceal their sins, and permit them to remain upon the books of heaven, unconfessed and unforgiven, will be overcome by Satan"

http://pdf.amazingdiscoveries.org/eBooks/EGWhite/PatriarchsandProphets.pdf

Matthew 7:21-23 King James Version (KJV)
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[DeepWater]

You are merely repeating your own opinion.

You like to hear yourself talk, is my valid opinion...
So, let me offer you this..
You have avoided even trying to answer my question.... "Can you explain how the Blood Atonement that Saved YOU, (if you are)....Keeps you saved"?

And its not my opinion that you can't answer this and have avoided it. And why?
Because you, along with the rest who are just like you here on this Forum, don't Believe the Blood of Jesus, that IS the Redemption of God, is what KEEPS YOU SAVED.
That is not my opinion.
That is a God Certain Truth.. that you can't respond to this question, or others like you here, because you do not BELIEVE that Jesus The Lord,..that His Death and what He accomplished on the Cross, is ONLY what God uses and applies to Save you and Keep you saved.
You don't believe this, ... and that is why you and others here who are just like you, can't respond to my question.
Want to prove me wrong? You can't do it, unless you lie, and that goes for the rest of you, who are the SAME.
See, if you agreed that JESUS ALONE KEEPS YOU SAVED....., then you would have to stop trying to save yourself, and keep yourself saved, by your LIST. "commandments, lifestyle, enduring to the end, water baptism, church membership, confessing sin, repenting, and all the other WORKS you are doing to try to SAVE YOURSELF".
You Can't, and that is not my opinion, fella.


Thats your final answer, and not just yours..

 

[JLB777]

Imagine a forum where Grace rules in the hearts of the born again, and all Threads that teach LEGALISM = Galatians 1:8 : false Gospels related to "self saving", "commandment keeping to stay saved".. "keeping the Torah to stay saved". "joining a certain church to stay saved" "repenting to stay saved", "confessing sin to stay saved"... all of this "FLESH", Galatians 3 these works of the flesh,

Paul teaches what the works of the flesh are -


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21

• Please stop promoting the heresy that keeping His commandments is the works of the flesh.

Keeping His commandments is how we remain “in Christ”.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


If we do not remain in Christ, then we will be cast not the fire and burned.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6



Knowing the truth will make you free.

Continuing in His word is how we know the truth.




JLB

 

[Call me Nic]

Paul teaches what the works of the flesh are -


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. Galatians 5:19-21


Please stop promoting the heresy that keeping His commandments is the works of the flesh.


Keeping His commandments is how we remain “in Christ”.


Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us. 1 John 3:24


If we do not remain in Christ, then we will be cast not the fire and burned.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. John 15:6



Knowing the truth will make you free.

Continuing in His word is how we know the truth.




JLB

What are the commandments?

 

[JLB777]

Revelation promises rewards for those who overcome.

Yes agreed.


He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8



JLB

 

[JLB777]

What are the commandments?

Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. Romans 13:8-10

The Commandments written on your heart and mind.


His Commandments are about love; loving God and loving our neighbor.


Do you believe that murdering your neighbor is loving him.

Do you believe that serving other gods, is loving God with all of your heart?


For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome. 1 John 5:3



JLB

 

[concretecamper]

Imagine a forum where those who are washed in the Blood of the Lamb, and who have God's Righteousness imputed to them

first sentence of the post is wrong. What am I to think about the rest of it? Seriously, how does one consider the rest if the post when sentence one is wrong?