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Spontaneous creation and Higgs Bosons

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The Higgs theory implies that there is a field that permeates the universe and that different particles are attributed different levels of mass by this field. The view goes that this in some way explains how the universe could emerge from a tiny singularity. But if the energy for this creation came from God and what the scientists have discovered at the LHC is just a deeper way looking at methods of creation then an alternate view is surely possible.

Given that the Higgs field permeates the whole universe and given that the existence of Higgs bosons is possible anywhere in this universe then the conditions for the imputation of mass are universe wide also. Does this imply that the origins of our universe need not have occurred in single place as a result of a single singularity.

Is it not possible that given enough energy to make the process possible the universe could simply emerge as it is and broadly where it is as a result of innumerable singularities driven by the energy that God Himself put into creation.

APOD: 2012 May 1 - Higgs Boson Explained by Cartoon

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The Higgs theory implies that there is a field that permeates the universe and that different particles are attributed different levels of mass by this field. The view goes that this in some way explains how the universe could emerge from a tiny singularity. But if the energy for this creation came from God and what the scientists have discovered at the LHC is just a deeper way looking at methods of creation then an alternate view is surely possible.

Given that the Higgs field permeates the whole universe and given that the existence of Higgs bosons is possible anywhere in this universe then the conditions for the imputation of mass are universe wide also. Does this imply that the origins of our universe need not have occurred in single place as a result of a single singularity.

Is it not possible that given enough energy to make the process possible the universe could simply emerge as it is and broadly where it is as a result of innumerable singularities driven by the energy that God Himself put into creation.

There was no singularity before the creation. Before the creation nothing existed anywhere except the spirit realm where God's abode is. He created all things 'ex-nihilo'...out of nothing. 'Nothing = no thing. Zero. (Mirriam Webster). There was no pre-existing matter nor energy.
 
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There was no singularity before the creation. Before the creation nothing existed anywhere except the spirit realm where God's abode is. He created all things 'ex-nihilo'...out of nothing. 'Nothing = no thing. Zero. (Mirriam Webster). There was no pre-existing matter nor energy.

Yes I believe in creatio ex nihilo. Maybe I need to explain my language better.

Modern science sees things in purely naturalistic terms and sees the origins of the universe in terms of a singularity in which a colossal amount of energy was released in a giant big bang and then mass developed from this energy expanding outwards from a single place.

Theistic Evolutionists then connect Gods creatio ex nihilo with the latest models of scientific thinking and suggest that God created in this way and guided the process from Big Bang to modern man.

I as a Creationist however am speculating that an alternative might be possible even if we assume the Standard model and the use of Higgs theory. That if God Himself provides the energy by which a previously non existent universe was formed and Higgs field and its interaction with different particles helps us to understand how mass was imputed then the effects that were previously attributed to the Big Bang are not actually necessary at all. Rather we could say that mass emerged pretty much spontaneously (and very rapidly) in the short 6 days of God creative activity and pretty much where it is right now and how we see it now.

Of course then the universe need not be billions of years old as this is no longer necessary to explain what is seen.
 
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Yes I believe in creatio ex nihilo. Maybe I need to explain my language better.

Modern science sees things in purely naturalistic terms and sees the origins of the universe in terms of a singularity in which a colossal amount of energy was released in a giant big bang and then mass developed from this energy expanding outwards from a single place.

Theistic Evolutionists then connect Gods creatio ex nihilo with the latest models of scientific thinking and suggest that God created in this way and guided the process from Big Bang to modern man.

I as a Creationist however am speculating that an alternative might be possible even if we assume the Standard model and the use of Higgs theory. That if God Himself provides the energy by which a previously non existent universe was formed and Higgs field and its interaction with different particles helps us to understand how mass was imputed then the effects that were previously attributed to the Big Bang are not actually necessary at all. Rather we could say that mass emerged pretty much spontaneously (and very rapidly) in the short 6 days of God creative activity and pretty much where it is right now and how we see it now.

Of course then the universe need not be billions of years old as this is no longer necessary to explain what is seen.

O.K.

But interesting what I came across studying this issue: Quote - "Although apparent, mass is not generated by the Higgs field, as creation of matter or energy would conflict with the laws of conservation." Wikipedia.

Recognition by experts that nature cannot create matter nor energy. Only God can create. Isaiah 44:24.

My regards.
 
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O.K.

But interesting what I came across studying this issue: Quote - "Although apparent, mass is not generated by the Higgs field, as creation of matter or energy would conflict with the laws of conservation." Wikipedia.

Recognition by experts that nature cannot create matter nor energy. Only God can create. Isaiah 44:24.

My regards.

The Big Bang and what followed could be simplified as a massive amount of released energy converting to mass over billions of years. There is no explanation in either this or Higgs theory as to where the energy came from in the first place and mass and energy are regarded as pretty much interchangeable. But maybe the Higgs field gives clues as to how mass is imputed according to different kinds of particle.

If all this occurs spontaneously across the whole universe using energy God injected from everywhere you do not need a big bang and billions of years but you still have an explanation for mass.
 
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