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Spoiled Fruit, Adam, Paul, and the Creationist distortion of it.

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Creationist proclaim that sin entered the world when Adam ate of the fruit, and that Christ death served as redeeming of this action. Much of the reason why they are against evolution is based on this premise, but it's a false premise.

Their support for such a diminsion comes from Paul's Epistles, and an erroneous reading of them, since the Gospel say next to nothing about the Garden of Eden story, nor does the Old Testament support such a notion as sin manifesting in the world as the result of Adam eating a fruit.

So I want to show why this understanding of Paul is clearly false, and the fundementalist/creationist understanding of how sin came into the world is erroneous.

Paul says in Romans 7: "I once lived outside the law, but when the commandment came, sin became alive"

Paul here proclaims that sin became alive at the awareness of a commandment, not an action.

Paul presents sin as dichotomy, of a will within in himself in opposition to that which is good: "So, then, I discover the principle that when I want to do right, evil is at hand."

Fundementalist and creationist will claim that this rebellious spirit manifested in humanity by Adam eating the fruit, but that's false.

Sin manifested in Adam when he was made aware of the commandment: "From that tree you shall not eat.". From the commandment Adam's plight became that of Paul's in his dueling dichotomy. Sin did not manifest in humanity by Adam eating a fruit, but that sin manifested in humanity by the awareness of commandment, in an awareness of that which is good. Sin manifested when God told Adam what he should do (do not eat), not by the act of eating.

Original sin then drifts from how fundamentalist/creationist conceive of it, and is more aligned to what Paul and Reinhold Niebhur would concieve it as: "Original sin is that thing about man which makes him capable of conceiving of his own perfection and incapable of achieving it"--the dichotomy of our moral condition.

From this point one can conceive why the Garden of Eden narrative for Paul has an allegorical framework, rather than literal, because the story of Paul represents his own moral dichotomy, and the narratives becomes the biblical allegory for it. The narrative now lacks a necessity for it to be taken as literal history, but now is conceived as allegory about the reality of the human condition.
 
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Sin manifested in Adam when he was made aware of the commandment: "From that tree you shall not eat.". From the commandment Adam's plight became that of Paul's in his dueling dichotomy. Sin did not manifest in humanity by Adam eating a fruit, but that sin manifested in humanity by the awareness of commandment, in an awareness of that which is good. Sin manifested when God told Adam what he should do (do not eat), not by the act of eating.

Who is the Word of God? A man. His presence is fullness of joy. The prefall Word was in the presence of the Lord and there was no knowledge of it apart from God. The post fall world is knowledge apart from God. You are talking apples and oranges.

What happens when you bear your children into a world apart from the knowledge of God? A legacy of fallen-ness. The fall clearly preceded Paul.

The commandment is a corollary to fallen-ness. It is a system of law tailored to screw ups who dont walk with the Lord anymore. That is why it is sin.

Paul's view of sin entering through a historical Adam could hardly be more clear.
 
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The commandment is a corollary to fallen-ness. It is a system of law tailored to screw ups who dont walk with the Lord anymore. That is why it is sin.

Your point is not even coherent. Make sense of it for me busterdog. Fundamentalist claim that sin entered the world from Adam eating a fruit, but sin was already in the world before the act itself. Either you disagree, or agree with this point.

Paul's view of sin entering through a historical Adam could hardly be more clear.

Hardly be more clear? Why don't you make it clear, did sin enter the world by Adam eating the fruit, or was sin in the world prior to this? I already showed how Paul viewed sin as coming "alive".

This time make a less muddled argument.
 
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