Split Brain Phenomenon

[Radrook]

This brings up many fascinating questions about our identity.

 

[John Hyperspace]

This brings up many fascinating questions about our identity.

Fascinating. There is something to it that I already know, yet, something more than I'm not yet comprehending. Like there are, two. One gets it, one is still trying to bring it into full clarity.

Also, yet another evidence in support of the proposition that free will doesn't exist, and God is absolute sovereign.

 

[Radrook]

Fascinating. There is something to it that I already know, yet, something more than I'm not yet comprehending. Like there are, two. One gets it, one is still trying to bring it into full clarity.

Also, yet another evidence in support of the proposition that free will doesn't exist, and God is absolute sovereign.

Yet they are both somehow integrated to make us feel that no division t all is present. How someone can glibly say that it all came from blind chance is beyond me.

BTW
Why do you say that we have no free will based on this info?

 

[John Hyperspace]

Yet they are both somehow integrated to make us feel that no division t all is present. How someone can glibly say that it all came from blind chance is beyond me.

If free-will does exist, then glibly saying "it all came from blind chance" is indeed beyond me, as well. But in fact, virtually everything people think and believe becomes "beyond me": belief in sovereignty allows me to say "Men are not really responsible for their abject ignorance, they are being blinded by God into believing such naked absurdities". So that's the silver lining.

But yeah, everything is so clearly designed by intelligent consciousness that to even entertain, well; I'll just refrain from further comment.

BTW
Why do you say that we have no free will based on this info?

It was mentioned in the video, in passing. But to be honest, I'm not sure of the reasoning behind it since it was mentioned in passing; but apparently the idea somehow casts doubt on the concept of free-will.

 

[Dave-W]

The video reminded me of an old country song:

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy..."

 

[Radrook]

If free-will does exist, then glibly saying "it all came from blind chance" is indeed beyond me, as well. But in fact, virtually everything people think and believe becomes "beyond me": belief in sovereignty allows me to say "Men are not really responsible for their abject ignorance, they are being blinded by God into believing such naked absurdities". So that's the silver lining.

But yeah, everything is so clearly designed by intelligent consciousness that to even entertain, well; I'll just refrain from further comment.



It was mentioned in the video, in passing. But to be honest, I'm not sure of the reasoning behind it since it was mentioned in passing; but apparently the idea somehow casts doubt on the concept of free-will.

One thing that also impressed me is that one hemisphere cannot speak but can influence decisions and is forced to observe as the other hemisphere talks. Or how when separated surgically via severance of the middle part, one side will try to interfere with what the other is doing physically by employing a hand to stop it.

Makes you wonder how many times that we feel that we have sabotaged our own selves when we are just about to take a certain advantageous course of action this has been the real accursed reason. Or maybe that perhaps the one hemisphere has bad habits that the other side is trying to kick and that this might be the struggle that we are experiencing as a war within ourselves against our sinful nature.

 

[John Hyperspace]

One thing that also impressed me is that one hemisphere cannot speak but can influence decisions and is forced to observe as the other hemisphere talks. Or how when separated surgically via severance of the middle part, one side will try to interfere with what the other is doing physically by employing a hand to stop it.

Makes you wonder how many times that we feel that we have sabotaged our own selves when we are just about to take a certain advantageous course of action this has been the real accursed reason. Or maybe that perhaps the one hemisphere has bad habits that the other side is trying to kick and that this might be the struggle that we are experiencing as a war within ourselves against our sinful nature.

Oh no doubt it raises some very intriguing questions about the whole mode of duality: even so that we may then contemplate the "marriage" of the two, becoming "one": what if "Jews" and "Gentiles" "saved" and "unsaved" and all of these dichotomies are allegory of such divergence of mind as alluded in the video.

These questions I've pondered a long time, but, apparently my left(?) brain isn't yet able to fully comprehend what the right(?) possibly already knows and is trying to communicate the entire time. That's the thing about these videos; they throw so much info so quickly and tightly packed that it begs for a deeper and lengthier presentation which you can really sink your teeth into.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Yet they are both somehow integrated to make us feel that no division t all is present. How someone can glibly say that it all came from blind chance is beyond me.

Luckily, wheter something is accurate or not, is not dependend on you comprehending it.

 

[Radrook]

Luckily, wheter something is accurate or not, is not dependend on you comprehending it.

Or of you accepting it.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Or of you accepting it.

Luckily, I don't accept strawmen versions of evolution theory either.

Evolution isn't "blind chance" because the random changes are filtered by natural selection.

Consider pouring random coins of any currency into a bucket. Only, before they get to a bucket, they have to pass through a filter which only let coins of 5 eurocent through, while it will discard everything else. So the bucket will only contain 5 eurocent coins, eventhough the input was a random stream of all kinds of coins.

Would you say that it is the result of "blind chance" that only the 5 eurocent coins end up in the bucket?

 

[Radrook]

Luckily, I don't accept strawmen versions of evolution theory either.

Evolution isn't "blind chance" because the random changes are filtered by natural selection.

Consider pouring random coins of any currency into a bucket. Only, before they get to a bucket, they have to pass through a filter which only let coins of 5 eurocent through, while it will discard everything else. So the bucket will only contain 5 eurocent coins, eventhough the input was a random stream of all kinds of coins.

Would you say that it is the result of "blind chance" that only the 5 eurocent coins end up in the bucket?

The filter you mention is viewed as being established by an ID within the Theistic Evolution model.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

The filter you mention is viewed as being established by an ID within the Theistic Evolution model.

That makes no sense (and is just another bare assertion). Selection pressures are determined by any and all aspects of the environment. From climate to natural enemies to germs to volcano's and everything else you can imagine that can have an impact on any organism's survival or reproductive success.

 

[KCfromNC]

How someone can glibly say that it all came from blind chance is beyond me.

Who is saying that the laws of nature are random?

 

[KCfromNC]

The filter you mention is viewed as being established by an ID within the Theistic Evolution model.

That's not true - believers in theistic evolution accept evolution, not creationism/ID.

 

[Radrook]

That makes no sense (and is just another bare assertion). Selection pressures are determined by any and all aspects of the environment. From climate to natural enemies to germs to volcano's and everything else you can imagine that can have an impact on any organism's survival or reproductive success.

But from one theistic evolutionist standpoint that process was established by an ID to ultimately produce the variety of creatures we have today.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

But from one theistic evolutionist standpoint that process was established by an ID to ultimately produce the variety of creatures we have today.

That's not what you previously said.

You said "the filter". Now you're backing up into talking about "the process".

FYI: the process doesn't need any "establishing". It rather inevitably happens in a world where systems reproduce with variation and are in competition with one another over limited resources.

(ps: this is where you back up even further and move on from the ID nonsense into the fine-tuning nonsense)

 

[Radrook]

That's not true - believers in theistic evolution accept evolution, not creationism/ID.

There are various versions of theistic evolution:


Theistic evolution, theistic evolutionism, or evolutionary creationism are views that regard religious teachings about God as compatible with modern scientific understanding about biological evolution. Theistic evolution is not a scientific theory, but a range of views about how the science of general evolution relates to religious beliefs in contrast to special creation views.

Supporters of theistic evolution generally harmonize evolutionary thought with belief in God, rejecting the conflict thesis regarding the relationship between religion and science – they hold that religious teachings about creation and scientific theories of evolution need not contradict each other.[1][2]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theistic_evolutio

 

[Radrook]

The video reminded me of an old country song:

"I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy..."

Actually the procedure that they use to surgically separate the two ccerebral hemispheres in order to alleviate epilepsy by means of preventing it from spreading from one cerebral hemisphere to the other is called a Corpus Callosotomy. The following article describes which patients are deemed to need the operation and how it is done.

The corpus callosum is a band of nerve fibers located deep in the brain that connects the two halves (hemispheres) of the brain. It helps the hemispheres share information, but it also contributes to the spread of seizure impulses from one side of the brain to the other.
Epilepsy and the Corpus Callosotomy

It is by testing and studying the behavior of such patients after they have had the procedure done that much information has been gleaned about the relationship between the two sides of our brain.

 

[Dave-W]

It is by testing and studying the behavior of such patients after they have had the procedure done that much information has been gleaned about the relationship between the two sides of our brain.

Those studies were done in the 1950s and 60s and led to the procedure being disused. I read about them in the early 1970s.

 

[Radrook]

Those studies were done in the 1950s and 60s and led to the procedure being disused. I read about them in the early 1970s.

Yes, I know that these tests are not new and that the knowledge gleaned is old. Nevertheless not everyone is familiar with the information. I also post it because it is relevant to the thread title and might encourage further discussion.

BTW
When you say that the procedure is disused, do you mean it isn't any longer being used or is that a typo?