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Discussion in 'Spirit-Filled / Charismatic' started by Victor E., Aug 13, 2016.

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    The largest religious spirit is kept alive by the Church itself. The opposition to 'criticism' and 'judgement'. It will not last.
     
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    The spirit of Saul typically operates out of jealousy and insecurity. Its least favourite verse is 'You received without paying; give without pay'.

    King Saul was threatened by the success of David. Now we see this same scene playing out in the church age of Acts we are currently living in.

    Many religious leaders operating out of a spirit of Saul are beginning to lose their relevance and voice to a generation that has a Spirit-driven zeal for the Gospel Truth of Jesus Christ.

    These religious celebrities (Mostly popular left-wing Charismatics) are attempting to stifle the prophetic utterance of up and coming Sons of God who have a driving passion for the Gospel Truth.

    The proud King Saul eventually lost his throne to the humility of King David. The Charismatic celebrity's selling false revelation and prophecies for great sums of money, they must repent or they will lose their throne. Amen.

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    The difference between the mature and immature prophetic is humility and obedience. We could learn a thing or two from the Torah.

    While some are easily wowed by revelatory visions, trips to heaven, revelations, and dreams...others no longer receive them in such an indirect manner. Preaching and living a lifestyle of repentance is fundamental.

    'Now Miriam and Aaron talked against Moses [their brother] because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite woman.

    And they said, Has the Lord indeed spoken only by Moses? Has He not spoken also by us? And the Lord heard it.

    Now the man Moses was very meek (gentle, kind, and humble) or above all the men on the face of the earth.

    Suddenly the Lord said to Moses, Aaron, and Miriam, Come out, you three, to the Tent of Meeting. And the three of them came out.

    The Lord came down in a pillar of cloud, and stood at the Tent door and called Aaron and Miriam, and they came forward.

    And He said, Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I the Lord make Myself known to him in a vision and speak to him in a dream.

    But not so with My servant Moses; he is entrusted and faithful in all My house.
    With him I speak mouth to mouth [directly], clearly and not in dark speeches; and he beholds the form of the Lord. Why then were you not afraid to speak against My servant Moses?

    And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them, and He departed.
    And when the cloud departed from over the Tent, behold, Miriam was leprous, as white as snow. And Aaron looked at Miriam, and, behold, she was leprous!

    And Aaron said to Moses, Oh, my lord, I plead with you, lay not the sin upon us in which we have done foolishly and in which we have sinned.

    Let her not be as one dead, already half decomposed when he comes out of his mother’s womb.
    And Moses cried to the Lord, saying, Heal her now, O God, I beseech You!

    And the Lord said to Moses, If her father had but spit in her face, should she not be ashamed for seven days? Let her be shut up outside the camp for seven days, and after that let her be brought in again.

    So Miriam was shut up without the camp for seven days, and the people did not journey on until Miriam was brought in again.

    Afterward [they] removed from Hazeroth and encamped in the Wilderness of Paran.' Numbers 12:1-16 (AMPC)
     
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    Jesus Forbids Sectarianism (excessive attachment to a particular sect or party, especially in religion). This is why it's not wise to overly devote yourself to a single sect or party. It's also a work of the flesh (Galatians 5:20).

    Sect- a group of people with somewhat different religious beliefs (typically regarded as heretical) from those of a larger group to which they belong.

    'John said to him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in your name, and we tried to stop him, because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not stop him, for no one who does a mighty work in my name will be able soon afterward to speak evil of me.

    For the one who is not against us is for us. For truly, I say to you, whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because you belong to Christ will by no means lose his reward.' Mark 9:38-41

    'Now John answered and said, “Master, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we forbade him because he does not follow with us.”

    But Jesus said to him, “Do not forbid him, for he who is not against us is on our side.” Luke 9:49-50
     
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    'Yet grace (God’s unmerited favor) was given to each of us individually [not indiscriminately, but in different ways] in proportion to the measure of Christ’s [rich and bounteous] gift.

    Therefore it is said, When He ascended on high, He led captivity captive [He led a train of vanquished foes] and He bestowed gifts on men.

    [But He ascended?] Now what can this, He ascended, mean but that He had previously descended from [the heights of] heaven into [the depths], the lower parts of the earth?

    He Who descended is the [very] same as He Who also has ascended high above all the heavens, that He [His presence] might fill all things (the whole universe, from the lowest to the highest).

    And His gifts were [varied; He Himself appointed and gave men to us] some to be apostles (special messengers), some prophets (inspired preachers and expounders), some evangelists (preachers of the Gospel, traveling missionaries), some pastors (shepherds of His flock) and teachers.

    His intention was the perfecting and the full equipping of the saints (His consecrated people), [that they should do] the work of ministering toward building up Christ’s body (the church),

    [That it might develop] until we all attain oneness in the faith and in the comprehension of the [full and accurate] knowledge of the Son of God, that [we might arrive] at really mature manhood (the completeness of personality which is nothing less than the standard height of Christ’s own perfection), the measure of the stature of the fullness of the Christ and the completeness found in Him.

    So then, we may no longer be children, tossed [like ships] to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, [the prey of] the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, [gamblers engaged] in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead.

    Rather, let our lives lovingly express truth [in all things, speaking truly, dealing truly, living truly]. Enfolded in love, let us grow up in every way and in all things into Him Who is the Head, [even] Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

    For because of Him the whole body (the church, in all its various parts), closely joined and firmly knit together by the joints and ligaments with which it is supplied, when each part [with power adapted to its need] is working properly [in all its functions], grows to full maturity, building itself up in love' Ephesians 4:7-16 (AMPC)
     
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    If you serve in any teaching capacity and all your teaching is secondhand information, where is your own revelation? [​IMG]

    Both Field Experience and much Bible Study make a great teacher. One without the other is sinking sand. Be a hearer and a doer.

    If you do not live what someone else is doing, you have no legal right in heavens court to accuse or condemn someone else. [​IMG]

    So it's not wise to go around accusing untitled Apostles...of being false teachers. Not everyone cares for their office titles. [​IMG]

    Apostle's plant Churches. They physically plant and build churches? Or they spiritually plant and build? Is the Church a building?

    Here's a secret. No such thing as an Apostle that doesn't operate in power. Marks of an Apostle include signs, wonders, miracles.

    Hey, hey. The offices in the church are not static. They can change according to God's will. He does as He pleases. Holy Spirit.
     
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    Hey, hey. You're valuable and accepted in God's Kingdom. You have all authority in Christ Jesus. Let's advance the Kingdom of God. Do you believe?
     
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    Excellent. Hallelujah

    'SENSITIVITY OR SENSUALITY? RELIGION with a form of godliness but denying the power thereof will cause believers to eventually lose all spiritual sensitivity, opening the door to all kinds of temptation and sin. "Having lost all sensitivity ('being past feeling' in the KJV), they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more." Ephesians 4:19 NIV. This is why the convicting power and presence of God must be in our services - in our times of prayer and worship, and in the preaching of God's Word.

    The enemy's strategy is "DESENSITIZATION" through RELIGION. This is why it seems to take more and more "hype" and "priming the pump" to get believers to praise the Lord and to engage in worship. Sooner or later the Holy Spirit is no longer involved or present, and all that is left is soulish emotional religious gymnastics. That becomes a very dangerous place to be in. Because if one is not delivered from that place, a seared conscience can eventually result. I believe a fresh wind of the Spirit is beginning to blow to bring about an awakening of a remnant that has been trapped in religion and is seriously hungry for relationship with the Lord'

    -Apostle Axel Sippach
     
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    Paul was VERY WELL EDUCATED (Acts 22:3). He WAS an EXCELLENT SCHOLAR of DEVOUT EMINENCE (Philippians 3:1-6)...and then JESUS CHRIST happened! (Galatians 1:11-17, Matthew 13:52) [​IMG][​IMG]

    He says there was a purpose for His plain and simple speaking. There was a reason for the myriad of grammatical errors.

    Or perhaps we forgot the MEANING of INTELLIGENCE and WISDOM. To KNOW (Yada`- LOVE) the Lord God!

    'And I, brethren, when I came to you, did not come with excellence of speech or of wisdom declaring to you the testimony of God. For I determined not to know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. I was with you in weakness, in fear, and in much trembling.

    And my speech and my preaching were not with persuasive words of human wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God' 1 Corinthians 2:1-5

    'I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree together, so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be united in mind and conviction. My brothers, some from Chloe’s household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. What I mean is this: Individuals among you are saying, “I follow Paul,” “I follow Apollos,” “I follow Cephas,” or “I follow Christ.”

    Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? I thank God that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that I do not remember baptizing anyone else. For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not with eloquent words of wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power' 1 Corinthians 1:10-17

    'For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

    “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
    the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

    Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God, the world through its wisdom did not know Him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe.

    Jews demand signs and Greeks search for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified, a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

    For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength' 1 Corinthians 1:18-25
     
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    'Now when they saw the BOLDNESS of PETER and JOHN, and PERCIEVED that they were UNLEARNED and IGNORANT men,

    they MARVELLED; and they took KNOWLEDGE of THEM, that THEY had BEEN with JESUS' Acts 4:13 [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

    Holy Spirit is no respecter of persons because God is no respecter of persons (Acts 10:34-35, Romans 2:10-11). God honors loving obedience to His Son, Jesus Christ (in varying degrees, Romans 12:3-8, Matthew 25:14-30).

    'We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him' Acts 5:32

    'Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples. And I will wait for the LORD who is hiding His face from the house of Jacob; I will even look eagerly for Him. Behold, I and the children whom the LORD has given me are for signs and wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, who dwells on Mount Zion.

    When they say to you, “Consult the mediums and the spiritists who whisper and mutter,” should not a people consult their God? Should they consult the dead on behalf of the living? To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because they have no dawn.

    They will pass through the land hard-pressed and famished, and it will turn out that when they are hungry, they will be enraged and curse their king and their God as they face upward.Then they will look to the earth, and behold, distress and darkness, the gloom of anguish; and they will be driven away into darkness' Isaiah 8:16-22

    'In bringing many sons to glory, it was fitting for God, for whom and through whom all things exist, to make the pioneer of their salvation perfect through suffering. For both the One who sanctifies and those who are sanctified are of the same family. That is why Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers (Matthew 12:50). He says:

    “I will proclaim Your name to My brothers;
    I will sing Your praises in the congregation.”
    And again:

    “I will put My trust in Him.”
    And once again:

    “Here am I, and the children God has given Me.” Therefore, since the children have flesh and blood, He too shared in their humanity, so that by His death He might destroy him who holds the power of death, that is, the devil, and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

    For surely it is not the angels He helps, but the descendants of Abraham. So He had to be made like His brothers in every way, that He might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, in order to make atonement for the sins of the people. Because He Himself suffered when He was tempted, He is able to help those who are being tempted' Hebrews 2:10-18
     
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    'When Christ came with His blazing spiritual penetration and His fine moral sensitivity He appeared to the Pharisee to be a devotee of another kind of religion, which indeed He was if the world had only understood. He could see the soul of the text while the Pharisee could see only the body, and he could always prove Christ wrong by an appeal to the letter of the law or to an interpretation hallowed by tradition. The breach between them was too great to permit them to coexist; so the Pharisee, who was in a position to do it, had the young Seer put to death…

    The imagination, since it is a faculty of the natural mind, must necessarily suffer both from its intrinsic limitations and from an inherent bent toward evil…A purified and Spirit-controlled imagination is, however, quite another thing, and it is this I have in mind here. I long to see the imagination released from its prison and given to its proper place among the Sons of the new creation. What I am trying to describe here is the sacred gift of seeing, the ability to peer beyond the veil and gaze with astonished wonder upon the beauties and mysteries of things holy and eternal.

    The stodgy pedestrian mind does no credit to Christianity. Let it dominate the church long enough and it will force her to take one of two directions: either toward liberalism, where she will find relief in a false freedom, or toward the world, where she will find an enjoyable but fatal pleasure.

    But I wonder whether this is not all included in the words of our Lord as recorded in the Gospel of John “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you” (16:13, 14).

    To possess a Spirit-indwelt mind is the Christian’s privilege under grace, and this embraces all I have been trying to say here'

    - A.W. Tozer 'The Value Of A Sanctified Imagination'
     
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    'PROPHETIC WORD: A THIRD WAVE IS COMING

    This past January in Orlando, FL, I had the honor of speaking at a conference called, “Onething” with Todd White, Nathan Morris, Mike Bickle and several others. God moved in a very powerful way throughout the sessions as the worship and the Word went forth. On Friday Morning as Todd White was preaching, I had a profound prophetic experience where I received an open vision and clear word from the Lord.'

    You can read about all about it on my blog post:Prophetic Vision: A Third Wave is Coming Upon This Generation - Behold the Man Ministries…/
     
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    An interesting account of Abraham appealing to the Justice side of God's nature (Psalm 89:14) during his intercession for Sodom and Gomorrah.

    'So the men turned from there and went toward Sodom, but Abraham still stood before the Lord. Then Abraham drew near and said, “Will you indeed sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Suppose there are fifty righteous within the city. Will you then sweep away the place and not spare it for the fifty righteous who are in it?

    Far be it from you to do such a thing, to put the righteous to death with the wicked, so that the righteous fare as the wicked! Far be that from you! Shall not the Judge of all the earth do what is just?” And the Lord said, “If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”

    Abraham answered and said, “Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes. Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking. Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?” And he said, “I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there.” Again he spoke to him and said, “Suppose forty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of forty I will not do it.” Then he said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak. Suppose thirty are found there.” He answered, “I will not do it, if I find thirty there.” He said, “Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it.” Then he said, “Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten are found there.” He answered, “For the sake of ten I will not destroy it.” And the Lord went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham, and Abraham returned to his place' Genesis 18:22-33

    You may see a similar parable (one of many in regard to God's Just nature) was spoken by Jesus Christ in 'The Parable of the Persistent Widow' Luke 18:1-8

    'And he told them a parable to the effect that they ought always to pray and not lose heart. He said, “In a certain city there was a judge who neither feared God nor respected man.

    And there was a widow in that city who kept coming to him and saying, ‘Give me justice against my adversary.’ For a while he refused, but afterward he said to himself, ‘Though I neither fear God nor respect man, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will give her justice, so that she will not beat me down by her continual coming.’”

    And the Lord said, “Hear what the unrighteous judge says. And will not God give justice to his elect, who cry to him day and night? Will he delay long over them? I tell you, he will give justice to them speedily. Nevertheless, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?”
     
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    'Because the sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, the hearts of the sons of men are fully set to do evil.

    Though a sinner does evil a hundred times and his days [seemingly] are prolonged [in his wickedness], yet surely I know that it will be well with those who [reverently] fear God, who revere and worship Him, realizing His continual presence.

    But it will not be well with the wicked, neither will he prolong his days like a shadow, because he does not [reverently] fear and worship God.

    Here also is a futility that goes on upon the earth: there are righteous men who fare as though they were wicked, and wicked men who fare as though they were righteous. I say that this also is vanity (emptiness, falsity, and futility)!' Ecclesiastes 8:11-14 (AMPC)

    'There was a certain rich man who [habitually] clothed himself in purple and fine linen and reveled and feasted and made merry in splendor every day.

    And at his gate there was [carelessly] dropped down and left a certain utterly destitute man named Lazarus, [reduced to begging alms and] covered with [ulcerated] sores.

    He [eagerly] desired to be satisfied with what fell from the rich man’s table; moreover, the dogs even came and licked his sores.
    And it occurred that the man [reduced to] begging died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.

    And in Hades (the realm of the dead), being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far away, and Lazarus in his bosom.
    And he cried out and said, Father Abraham, have pity and mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.

    But Abraham said, Child, remember that you in your lifetime fully received [what is due you in] comforts and delights, and Lazarus in like manner the discomforts and distresses; but now he is comforted here and you are in anguish.
    And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who want to pass from this [place] to you may not be able, and no one may pass from there to us.

    And [the man] said, Then, father, I beseech you to send him to my father’s house—For I have five brothers—so that he may give [solemn] testimony and warn them, lest they too come into this place of torment.
    But Abraham said, They have Moses and the Prophets; let them hear and listen to them.

    But he answered, No, father Abraham, but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent (change their minds for the better and heartily amend their ways, with abhorrence of their past sins).
    He said to him, If they do not hear and listen to Moses and the Prophets, neither will they be persuaded and convinced and believe [even] if someone should rise from the dead.’ Luke 16:19-31 (AMPC)
     
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    'Guilt by association' is a measure of judgement that needs to be spoken against. This is a decent perspective by KV...I don't say this often.

    'Value people not because they value YOU, but because you see God in them. The Lord is going to give us extraordinary ability to love people we wouldn't normally even like'

    This is definitely a good part of the agape love of Jesus Christ. 'I've never met someone I didn't like' [​IMG][​IMG]

     
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    I will be transparent. If I take my mind out of heaven's gates for one second, this is what I see, when I look at this world through a different lens. When you see past the appearance, you can see the invisible qualities of the human heart.

    'and delivered righteous Lot, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked (for that righteous man, dwelling among them, tormented his righteous soul from day to day by seeing and hearing their lawless deeds)' 2 Peter 2:7-8

    The Father loves us so much, He overlooks our filthiness to see us as a new transformed creation. Isn't this amazing? I fall in love with Jesus every day. [​IMG]

     
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