spiritual science

[dad]

Knowledge is not limited to physical. Science today generally is limited to the physical, but the bible indicates that more was at work in our past. Because of this, we can now understand that the flood, and garden, and all things the bible tells are true after all, and it was just a shortcoming in modern science logic mistakenly trying to be applied to a past that was not physical only.

 

[HRE]

Knowledge is not limited to physical. Science today generally is limited to the physical, but the bible indicates that more was at work in our past. Because of this, we can now understand that the flood, and garden, and all things the bible tells are true after all, and it was just a shortcoming in modern science logic mistakenly trying to be applied to a past that was not physical only.

If you assume that the Bible is correct.

 

[Mystman]

"Knowledge is not limited to physical. Science today generally is limited to the physical, but the bible indicates that more was at work in our past." True in some way.

"Because of this, we can now understand that the flood, and garden, and all things the bible tells are true after all," Uhmz.. how did that follow?

 

[dad]

If you assume that the Bible is correct.

Why would I assume it is not? The book corresponds so well to science, and human experience, unlike the PO dreams!

 

[Peris]

the bible is just a physical book

 

[dad]

"Knowledge is not limited to physical. Science today generally is limited to the physical, but the bible indicates that more was at work in our past." True in some way.

"Because of this, we can now understand that the flood, and garden, and all things the bible tells are true after all," Uhmz.. how did that follow?

In the garden, for example, we see the laws of physics being danced all over! Living forever, even a thousand years, and having a garden grow in a couple of days is simply beyond the laws of the physical only.
I think that the physical and spiritual were then merged together, so this was why it was possible. A seperation occured, and we were left for the time being, (till heaven comes and it merges again) with only our physical universe. It was on this physical only based knowledge that refutations of the bible were based. Same with the flood. Now we can understand that it was all true, and totally possible.

 

[dad]

the bible is just a physical book

Yes, with living words from the Living God.

 

[AirPo]

Spiritual science is about as valid as righteous debauchery.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

if this spiritual science has a valid or reliable epistemology then why isn't it shareable?

the presence of thousands of denominations of Christians, many making the same claims as do you, that the Bible provides knowledge that science either doesn't or can not, seems to destroy your argument.

if this knowledge of the Bible requires revelation that either is so personal that it can not be shared, or so complex that it can not be shared entirely. Or if this knowledge relies on a private realm not accessible to all people, then these problems are partly explained. but it doesn't do anything to show that this spiritual epistemology is either valid, universal, shareable, etc.
because no one else can have access to your revelation to validate or judge it, plus there can exist no uniform standards outside of individual revelation. thus everyone with your claims ends up in their own little private world without being able to show anyone outside of it either their knowledge or to confirm the truthfulness of their knowledge.

fortunately, science is intersubjective in ways that religions can only dream about.

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[pinqy]

hmmmm dad, please reconcile how you can say both "The book corresponds so well to science" and In the garden, for example, we see the laws of physics being danced all over! Living forever, even a thousand years, and having a garden grow in a couple of days is simply beyond the laws of the physical only."

Also what evidence is there besides the Bible that would lead one to believe that the past was not "physical only" and that physics as we understand it has changed.?

 

[AirPo]

In the garden, for example, we see the laws of physics being danced all over! Living forever, even a thousand years, and having a garden grow in a couple of days is simply beyond the laws of the physical only.

Thus a literal interpertation is incorrect.

I think that the physical and spiritual were then merged together, so this was why it was possible. A seperation occured, and we were left for the time being, (till heaven comes and it merges again) with only our physical universe. It was on this physical only based knowledge that refutations of the bible were based. Same with the flood. Now we can understand that it was all true, and totally possible.

When you make things up, anything is possible.

 

[Phred]

Knowledge is not limited to physical. Science today generally is limited to the physical, but the bible indicates that more was at work in our past. Because of this, we can now understand that the flood, and garden, and all things the bible tells are true after all, and it was just a shortcoming in modern science logic mistakenly trying to be applied to a past that was not physical only.

Utter nonsense. If you can't show it you don't know it. What you claim to "know" is nothing more than what you believe. For example, there was no global flood nor an actual garden of Eden based upon the evidence.

That's all science is, the attempt to understand what's knowable, not what's believable. You seem to think that because you can't make science recognize what you believe that's a fault. I disagree, that's its strength.

 

[ChrisS]

The bible can have different interpretations when it comes to this subject.

However, each interpretation can/could be right, depending on the person. There's no such thing as spiritual science though, as God doesn't work within most of the realm of science. Theology does exist however .

 

[Freodin]

Why would I assume it is not? The book corresponds so well to science, and human experience, unlike the PO dreams!

Huh? Is you postion not that the Bible does NOT correspond so well to science (so called, box, physical only)?

So would your above statement not rather mean "The book corresponds so well to what I think is true."

 

[Peris]

Yes, with living words from the Living God.

how do you know this for sure? The bible doesnt look like anything that couldn't be written by men. Physical men to be exact. thats what i concluded from reading it myself.

 

[Nymphalidae]

Tell us again about how heaven is located in the center of the moon, which is made of gold and shaped like a pyramid. I love that one.

 

[HRE]

Why would I assume it is not? The book corresponds so well to science, and human experience, unlike the PO dreams!

Wait...

So the Bible is right because science says so, but only if you use the science that assumes the Bible is right.

 

[Self Improvement]

So tell me, Dad. Did you use "PO" science to conclude that the bible is correct?

If so, how hypocritical of you.

 

[platzapS]

To add a spiritual aspect to science butchers both. Science is, by definition, the study of our natural world. If we start throwing in spiritual concepts, any attempts to keep a logical order go out the window. Can't explain a physical force? It must have been really fast-moving elves! Don't know why that water on the floor evaporates? Invisible thirsty fairies!

 

[Nathan Poe]

So tell me, Dad. Did you use "PO" science to conclude that the bible is correct?

If so, how hypocritical of you.

Not hypocritical at all, just very very circular --

The Bible's stories do not correspond with "PO" science (Of course, nobody ever claimed that they did.)

However, dad is espousing a New Science of his own invention, invoking the Physical and the Spiritual. Let's call this "PS" science for now.

Now, in dealing with physical phenomena, PS and PO sciences are virtually identical. It is only in matters pertaining to the Bible where PS science claims to have verified a literal scripture.

How does it do this? By assuming that the Bible is literally true, and invoking "The Spiritual" in gloss over any discrepencies.

In short, "PS" science does correspond to the Bible, quite simply because PS science was invented for no other reason than to correspond to the Bible.

...And the wheels on the logic go round and round...