'Spider-Man' Superhero Fatigues Past $400 Million Worldwide

[SummerMadness]

'Spider-Man' Superhero Fatigues Past $400 Million Worldwide

Sony's Spider-Man: Far From Home kept swinging higher and higher on Friday. The MCU sequel earned a whopping $32.6 million yesterday, up 26% from its $25.2 million Thursday gross and giving it a four-day cume of $124 million. Yeah, call it a hunch, but I think the Jon Watts-directed flick is going to best Sony's initial $125 million six-day projection. We're now thinking $177 million by Sunday, which presumes identical legs at this point as Transformers and Amazing Spider-Man.

 

[Ironhold]

The whole "superhero fatigue" bit was made up to explain why "Dark Phoenix" tanked at the box office.

Disney and Fox don't want to admit it, but the original script for Dark Phoenix was too close to what Disney was doing with Captain Marvel, and so Disney forced them to change it all at the last minute. Couple this with the negative feedback for Captain Marvel and the fact that both films visibly tried to appeal to the "woke" crowd rather than long-time fans, and Dark Phoenix was doomed.

So yeah - "superhero fatigue" was blamed, along with the "Battle Angel Alita" adaptation despite Alita generally being regarded as the overall superior film all around.

 

[mala]

The whole "superhero fatigue" bit was made up to explain why "Dark Phoenix" tanked at the box office.

Disney and Fox don't want to admit it, but the original script for Dark Phoenix was too close to what Disney was doing with Captain Marvel, and so Disney forced them to change it all at the last minute. Couple this with the negative feedback for Captain Marvel and the fact that both films visibly tried to appeal to the "woke" crowd rather than long-time fans, and Dark Phoenix was doomed.

So yeah - "superhero fatigue" was blamed, along with the "Battle Angel Alita" adaptation despite Alita generally being regarded as the overall superior film all around.

the term "superhero fatigue" was most certainly not made up to explain dark phoenix. it has been around for several years now long before those movies were even shot.

 

[Tanj]

The whole "superhero fatigue" bit was made up to explain why "Dark Phoenix" tanked at the box office.

Disney and Fox don't want to admit it, but the original script for Dark Phoenix was too close to what Disney was doing with Captain Marvel, and so Disney forced them to change it all at the last minute. Couple this with the negative feedback for Captain Marvel and the fact that both films visibly tried to appeal to the "woke" crowd rather than long-time fans, and Dark Phoenix was doomed.

Could you explain further how Captain Marvel appealing to the "woke" crowd doomed Dark Phoenix?

Why didn't Captain Marvel appealing to the woke crowd not also doom Captin Marvel instead of it being the huge blockbuster it was?

Finally, is there a difference between visibly appealing and just appealing?

 

[Ironhold]

Could you explain further how Captain Marvel appealing to the "woke" crowd doomed Dark Phoenix?

Why didn't Captain Marvel appealing to the woke crowd not also doom Captin Marvel instead of it being the huge blockbuster it was?

Finally, is there a difference between visibly appealing and just appealing?

Captain Marvel had the whole hype machine going for it, such that - allegedly - many theaters were sold out. Once the film was in theaters, however, everyone who hadn't bought into the hype train slammed it, myself included, for such issues as Larson's wooden acting and the shockingly poor effects work compared to other Marvel titles. Things trailed off after that, such that unsold copies of the special edition home video releases are now piling up like unsold copies of the Carol Danvers comic books (no, seriously; Danvers hasn't been able to carry a solo book in almost a decade, yet Marvel simply re-numbers everything back to #1 instead of declaring anything to be cancelled). That leaked footage from the deleted scenes included in the home video release show Danvers torturing a guy because he was crass to her represented the final nail in the coffin, as the scene makes her look like a villain instead of a hero.

And let's face it: even as far back as 2017 retailers were telling Marvel to their face that the "diversity" characters (the word was used by one specific retailer) weren't selling and that efforts to push them were only alienating both long-time consumers who wanted the classic heroes and movie / TV show fans who were wondering where the characters being pushed on the screen were. This was widely covered when it happened, and so both Disney and Fox should have known that things like choosing "I'm Just A Girl" for Danvers' big fight scene or the "X-Women" crack in Dark Phoenix would not be greeted warmly. Sure enough, it all went over like New Coke.

Disney claims that they have Brie Larson under contract for five more movies, but right now folks are tired of Larson in the role (including, reportedly, some of the other actors, especially given her behavior during a series of publicity interviews ahead of "Endgame") and want to see Monica Rambeau take up the mantle. In fact, with X-Men now back under Disney's control and ready for insertion into the MCU, we have a means to make that happen: a(n in)famous story arc from the early 1980s has Rogue stealing Danvers' powers, sidelining her for years; in the comics she had to receive a new set of powers and adopt the name "Binary", while in the 1990s X-Men cartoon series the trauma had left her comatose. I'm already seeing people the world over predicting the implementation of that story arc if an Avengers / X-Men cross-over happens, especially if Larson's behavior gets any more toxic than it already is.

 

[Tanj]

Captain Marvel had the whole hype machine going for it, such that - allegedly - many theaters were sold out. Once the film was in theaters, however, everyone who hadn't bought into the hype train slammed it, myself included, for such issues as Larson's wooden acting and the shockingly poor effects work compared to other Marvel titles.

It made over a billion, and ranks somewhere in the top 20 by most metrics, and received generally favourable reviews, your slammin' not withstandin'.

Your detailed account of what you think is going to happen was kinda interesting.

Your clear distaste for Brie Larson was distasteful. On that basis, cheery bye

 

[SummerMadness]

Isn't it funny how a thread about Spider-Man has turned into complaints about Brie Larson. If it's not complaints about Brie Larson, then it's complaints about Star Wars. I didn't expect to see a reference to Alita: Battle Angel (a box office flop), but that really does round out what is strikingly similar to the MRAs that flew into incel rage over Captain Marvel. There hasn't been a single mention of Sony or Spider-Man in this thread besides the OP, yet there is wildly inaccurate portrayals of a movie that made over $1 billion and other complaints that are meant to attack Disney and spell doom and gloom for their future. I think the pattern will be to say that Disney will flop, predict it for every release, and when a movie does flop, "See, I was right!" Then why weren't you correct about Alita: Battle Angel?

 

[Ironhold]

Then why weren't you correct about Alita: Battle Angel?

I went in with low expectations for Alita, as adaptations of such a nature haven't historically done very well.

I was pleasantly surprised by the acting and effects work, but originally harshed it for bad pacing. In the wake of "Captain Marvel" and "Dark Phoenix", however, I took an entire column to re-consider "Alita" in light of how awful the other two movies were and ended up retroactively upping the score I gave it.

 

[SummerMadness]

I went in with low expectations for Alita, as adaptations of such a nature haven't historically done very well.

I was pleasantly surprised by the acting and effects work, but originally harshed it for bad pacing. In the wake of "Captain Marvel" and "Dark Phoenix", however, I took an entire column to re-consider "Alita" in light of how awful the other two movies were and ended up retroactively upping the score I gave it.

And still nothing said about Spider-Man...

 

[Ironhold]

And still nothing said about Spider-Man...

My review has yet to be published (scheduled to run this Friday), so since this is a public board...

 

[Ana the Ist]

Could you explain further how Captain Marvel appealing to the "woke" crowd doomed Dark Phoenix?

Why didn't Captain Marvel appealing to the woke crowd not also doom Captin Marvel instead of it being the huge blockbuster it was?

Finally, is there a difference between visibly appealing and just appealing?

Was it a "huge blockbuster"?

 

[Tanj]

Was it a "huge blockbuster"?

> 1B dollars world wide, 6th highest gross in the MCU, 21st highest grossing US film, that kind of thing. The topic of this thread is "superhero fatgue" superhero movies not making money because people are tired of superheroes. As such my definition of block buster was mostly fiscal.

Need further clarification?

 

[Ana the Ist]

My review has yet to be published (scheduled to run this Friday), so since this is a public board...

Hey....what did you think of Hereditary? I saw it recently on a recommendation and it's in my top 5 horror movies of all time now (easily my number 1 "demonic possession" horror movie). I couldn't understand why it didn't get more attention....possibly all the decapitation?


I'm so psyched to see Midsomer when it comes out this month.

 

[Ana the Ist]

> 1B dollars world wide, 6th highest gross in the MCU, 21st highest grossing US film, that kind of thing. The topic of this thread is "superhero fatgue" superhero movies not making money because people are tired of superheroes. As such my definition of block buster was mostly fiscal.

Need further clarification?

Nah...I just heard it stunk on ice. I heard it stunk like hot garbage....but I suppose being a "good movie" and "making a pile of money" aren't necessarily connected.

 

[SummerMadness]

> 1B dollars world wide, 6th highest gross in the MCU, 21st highest grossing US film, that kind of thing. The topic of this thread is "superhero fatgue" superhero movies not making money because people are tired of superheroes. As such my definition of block buster was mostly fiscal.

Need further clarification?

The news article in this case was using the term superhero fatigue sarcastically because Spider-Man performed very well. I think if there is any kind of fatigue it is related to particular series. But the reality is closer to that the films that have crashed and burned were simply not that good or appealing to audiences.

 

[Ana the Ist]

And still nothing said about Spider-Man...

Didn't this movie just come out? Update this thread after it comes out on Netflix or Amazon.

'Spider-Man' Superhero Fatigues Past $400 Million Worldwide

Those are impressive numbers....but keep in mind that while they've easily covered production costs, they also spent a record 288$ million on marketing and promotion.

 

[Ironhold]

Hey....what did you think of Hereditary? I saw it recently on a recommendation and it's in my top 5 horror movies of all time now (easily my number 1 "demonic possession" horror movie). I couldn't understand why it didn't get more attention....possibly all the decapitation?

I don't recall "Hereditary" coming to my local theater.

The paper I'm with has an agreement in place with the 8-screen multiplex here in town, so unless I have a really, really good reason to hit another theater (like, say, the multiplex two towns over that frequently has "specialty" films) I prioritize the local theater.

I'm so psyched to see Midsomer when it comes out this month.

It's already out, at least locally. It opened against "Spider-Man".

Nah...I just heard it stunk on ice. I heard it stunk like hot garbage....but I suppose being a "good movie" and "making a pile of money" aren't necessarily connected.

I used "Brie Larson's acting" as my point of reference in explaining how numb my legs were after sitting through "Endgame" and people knew exactly what I meant.

But yeah -> I once had to take an entire column of my Tuesday backup feature to explain the fact that sometimes, bad movies rake it in while good movies tank.

For example, "Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" was so awful that lead actor Shia LeBeouf himself panned it, yet it was one of that year's top-grossing films. In contrast, "Ender's Game" spent so much on effects work that even with it hitting "blockbuster" status it still didn't fully pay for itself.