Speed of electrons in an atom

[Wiccan_Child]

the electron cloud in the ground state of a Bohr atom rotates at c/127


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-structure_constant

May I ask why you're dredging up five year old threads and answering questions long since answered?

 

[Justatruthseeker]

Is it really simpler? Matter is simply energy in a certain format. Matter "does things" when energy shifts about. This energy doesn't have an infinite top speed, therefore if the matter is moving at speeds comparable to the top speed of the energy out of which said matter is made... it'll not only change shape, but, it'll take longer for the energy which makes up the matter to "act" ... therefore even atomic decay will be slowed... because decay is still the action of energy being released.

Is it really more simple to state that an object moving changes something other than the object which is moving? (by changing time simply by moving through space?!)

Or, is it more simple to state that an object taking an action may ITSELF be affected by the actions it takes?

The first explanation that "it's easier to describe the fact that 'everything' slows down by imagining that some completely unsubstantiated fabric of 'time' is altered because an object moves through the interwoven fabric of 'space'" is equivalent to finding it easier to tell a child that when they go to sleep time literally speeds up... because everything seems to.

Matter is NOT energy.

Matter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"Matter should not be confused with mass, as the two are not quite the same in modern physics.[7] For example, mass is a conserved quantity, which means that its value is unchanging through time, within closed systems. However, matter is not conserved in such systems, although this is not obvious in ordinary conditions on Earth, where matter is approximately conserved. Still, special relativity shows that matter may disappear by conversion into energy, even inside closed systems, and it can also be created from energy, within such systems. However, because mass (like energy) can neither be created nor destroyed, the quantity of mass and the quantity of energy remain the same during a transformation of matter (which represents a certain amount of energy) into non-material (i.e., non-matter) energy. This is also true in the reverse transformation of energy into matter."

But we do think energy and mass are the same things. So if matter is not to be confused with mass, one should not confuse energy with matter either, since mass and energy are equivalent E=mc^2.


It IS the clock and ruler that changes, along with every single atom sharing that frame of reference due to velocity. The rate at which an atom oscillates changes with added energy due to velocity.

So tell me, if you view me as traveling at 1/2 of c, then do you really believe that the same photon in my frame is traveling at c in your frame and mine? Since you measure me traveling at 1/2 of c, then you would measure that photon traveling at 1 1/2 c not c, if it was really traveling at c in relation to me in my frame. I measure it traveling at c. You measure it traveling at c when it passes into "your" reference frame and is measured by "your" clocks and measuring rods. That same photon does not travel at two different velocities, it is the clocks and measuring rods that have changed which gives it the appearance of traveling the same speed in both frames. it is NOT a property of space and time, but a property of the clocks and measuring rods, because neither measure the same distance nor the same time.

And really, how do you know it travels at c and not c+v or c-v, since the one-way speed of light has never been successfully measured? If it traveled at c+v out and c-v on return and you average the time ellapsed as is done, it will always show to be a constant, even if it isn't.

So if I accelerate to 1/2 of c to your reckoning in your frame and stop all thrust, how fast am I moving? If I then accelerate to 1/2 of c to your reckoning in your frame again and stop all thrust, how fast am I moving?