speaking the word over inanimate objects

[hhodgson]

I am not interested in the prosperity gospel either because it is a false gospel.

Neither are WE... BTW, Where are you guys getting this "prosperity gospel?" There is only ONE gospel and that's the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is the "good news." And the "good news" is His GRACE which is (un-merited, un-deserved favor) to mankind as His provision for us to be reconciled to to the Father... by the finished works of His Son at Calvary. Once we except Jesus as our personal Saviour, then Healing, deliverence and PROSPERITY is already available to us by GRACE through FAITH. Everything that you will ever need in LIFE is (already provided) for us in His Word. Mark 11:24 "Therefore I say unto you, whatever things you desire, when you pray, believe that you will receive them, and you shall have them." (believe that you receive (when you pray). That's what Word of Faith teaches about prosperity. We don't teach a prosperity gospel. We teach His GRACE is more than sufficient for ALL of our need.

What does the Bible say about prosperity? Actually many things but I will use just one. 3 John 1:2 "Beloved, I wish above all things that you PROSPER and be in health even as your soul prospers." I really love the last part "as your soul prospers." If you prosper in knowledge, wisdom and understanding then God can prosper you in abundance to be a Blessing to others in the Body of Christ. We don't seek prosperity, prosperity seeks us. It's all about having an honest and pure heart with the right motive.

You are correct to say that the "prosperity gospel" is a false gospel. But the Gospel of Jesus Christ (His Grace) can produce an abundance of prosperity in your life, including financially, if one dares to... believe.

Be Blessed to be a Blessing...

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[JustHisKid]

Neither are WE... BTW, Where are you guys getting this "prosperity gospel?" There is only ONE gospel and that's the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is the "good news." And the "good news" is His GRACE which is (un-merited, un-deserved favor) to mankind as His provision for us to be reconciled to to the Father... by the finished works of His Son at Calvary. Once we except Jesus as our personal Saviour, then Healing, deliverence and PROSPERITY is already available to us by GRACE through FAITH. Everything that you will ever need in LIFE is (already provided) for us in His Word. (Mark 11:24) "Therefore I say unto you, whatever things you desire, when you pray, believe that you will receive them, and you shall have them"[/u] (believe that you receive (when you pray). That's what Word of Faith teaches about prosperity. We don't teach a prosperity gospel. We teach His GRACE is more than sufficient for ALL of our need.

What does the Bible say about prosperity? Actually many things but I will use just one. (3 John 1:2) "Beloved, I wish above all things that you PROSPER and be in health even as your soul prospers." I really love the last part "as your soul prospers." If you prosper in knowledge, wisdom and understanding then God can prosper you in abundance to be a Blessing to others in the Body of Christ. We don't seek prosperity, prosperity seeks us. It's all about having an honest and pure heart with the right motive.

You are correct to say that the "prosperity gospel" is a false gospel. But the Gospel of Jesus Christ (His Grace) can produce an abundance of prosperity in your life, including financially, if one dares to... believe.

Be Blessed to be a Blessing...​

There is no doubt God blesses people with financial wealth.

 

[now faith]

God promises us an abundant life. That rarely means material possessions. Wood, hay, stubble.

It is not enough to have just enough for ourselves,we need more than enough in order to complete our commission.

To Spread the Gospel.

You cannot give to missions if you have just enough.
if you are a Evangelist you cannot work 40 hrs the try to save souls.

It all belongs to God,the clothes on your back and your truck!
Believe for a truck and a bus to bring kids to church.
Then Believe for a radio station to Preach 24x7
Believe that all the promises of God are not promises if you have faith they are prophecies.

 

[now faith]

Wisdom is more precious than rubies or gold. He does promise us an abundant life. My dining table holds my dinner for two that I prepare for my girlfriend and I. My coffee table is by my bedside and holds my remote and christian literature that I read. The best thing about a gift is giving it back to God for His use.

What are you gonna do if 30 hungry people show up at your door?

Better yet go out and feed 30 hungry people, and tell them you will be back tomorrow.

That is true prosperity having more than enough.

 

[JustHisKid]

It is not enough to have just enough for ourselves,we need more than enough in order to complete our commission.

To Spread the Gospel.

You already have more than you need for that. You have the truth.

You cannot give to missions if you have just enough.

Oh ye of little faith. Where God guides, God provides. You need not concern yourself with it.

It all belongs to God,the clothes on your back and your truck!
Believe for a truck and a bus to bring kids to church.
Then Believe for a radio station to Preach 24x7
Believe that all the promises of God are not promises if you have faith they are prophecies.

You can believe all you like, but if it is not of God, it will not happen. You can try to force it with your "belief", but it will do little good.

 

[hhodgson]

What are you gonna do if 30 hungry people show up at your door?

Better yet go out and feed 30 hungry people, and tell them you will be back tomorrow.

That is true prosperity having more than enough.

And John... our critics actually think we mean money, money and more money. How sad! You and I both know that true prosperity means to have more than enough abundant supply of EVERYTHING that our friends, Loved ones, neighbors, or anyone that God puts on our hearts, even the broken down, the downhearted, or the homeless veteran that sleeps on the park bench, or on a sewer manhole grate lid to keep warm on a cold night, or the family that stands on the corner of a busy street who lost their jobs and now holding signs begging for food for their children.

Yesterday, my wife and I walked out of an area Walmart to the parking lot when a desperate man came up to us for help. His car was stranded in the parking lot with a failing waterpump and low on gas. He came from Ann Arbor, Michigan, heading to Chillicothe, Ohio. We absolutely had no problem helping him out without any hesitation. Someone may say, "all of these people are just trying to con everyone for money." Some may be but, what if they are really hurting and we pass them by? For everyone that reads this response, what if that were you standing on the corner?

Even by chance some were cons... God sees our heart. After giving... we prayed that the (help) we gave went and supplied for some of his need. A sudden peace came over both of us.

This is something to think about... God may have planned and guided our footsteps to the very spot where someone has a need just so He will continue to BLESS us for Blessing them.

Be Blessed to be a Blessing... (off to bed)...

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[hhodgson]

You already have more than you need for that. You have the truth.

I do believe that you are missing the point in what we're saying. Yes, we have the truth so what do we do with this truth? We share it with others who are in need of the truth that includes prosperity by His GRACE.

Oh ye of little faith. Where God guides, God provides. You need not concern yourself with it. You can believe all you like, but if it is not of God, it will not happen. You can try to force it with your "belief", but it will do little good.

Not quite... Where God guides, God provides (through us)... as being abundantly Blessed to Bless those in need.

Hmmm... Your quote, "but if it's not of God, it will not happen. "Why not? That is NOT God's choice to make. Whether it's of God or not of God (right or wrong) the choice is OURs to make things happen If we believe and not doubt in our heart we can have what we SAY." (Choose life)

Mark 11:23
“For verily I say unto you, That "whosoever" shall SAY unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he SAITH shall come to pass; he shall have "whatsoever" he SAITH."​

We at Word of Faith do not "force" our faith to move God on anything. Everything that we would ever need in this life has ALREADY been done by His finished works. We just "only believe" as Jesus said unto the ruler of the synagogue, ... (Mark 5:36) "be not afraid, "only believe"

No forcing of faith... Faith is a force as some WOF teach but we don't "force" faith.

Be Blessed to be a Blessing...

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[now faith]

It seems the main misunderstanding in our belief,is that we some how order God for our good pleasure.
The kooks might con people into seed for prayer,but core Word of Faith teaching is based solely on God's Word.
We confess God's Word over our life,we have no faith in our own ability.

Our Faith is mighty in God's power through his written Word.

IF you cannot stand on The Bible as your knowledge what are you standing on?

One thing I notice is our critics use accusations rather than scripture.
The reason is simple,they truly do not know what we are about.

We are open for any scriptural points that refute what we teach,but unfourtunly they become personal critism with out Bible basics.

Yes we teach prosperity ask why?
It's God's will and poverty is not.
We teach healing,because it's God's will affliction is demonic why wouldn't we teach against poverty and affliction?

Is this not simple common sense or does everyone else think God wants to make you suffer?

In our reading of the Bible we do not put man made condition on God's word.

How do people add the well maybe and if it be thine will,when we have God's will right on the page in front of us.

One major difference I see is how Bible study is approached:
Some treat the Bible as a book of severe correction for the believers.
We read the Bible and see joy in the victory of Christ Jesus.

My hope is a better understanding between us all and that we come to the realization we are all Spirit filled Christians reading God's living Word.

 

[hhodgson]

It seems the main misunderstanding in our belief,is that we some how order God for our good pleasure. The kooks might con people into seed for prayer,but core Word of Faith teaching is based solely on God's Word. We confess God's Word over our life,we have no faith in our own ability.

Our Faith is mighty in God's power through his written Word. IF you cannot stand on The Bible as your knowledge what are you standing on? One thing I notice is our critics use accusations rather than scripture. The reason is simple,they truly do not know what we are about.

We are open for any scriptural points that refute what we teach, but unfourtunly they become personal critism with out Bible basics. Yes we teach prosperity ask why? It's God's will and poverty is not. We teach healing,because it's God's will affliction is demonic why wouldn't we teach against poverty and affliction?

Is this not simple common sense or does everyone else think God wants to make you suffer? In our reading of the Bible we do not put man made condition on God's word. How do people add the well maybe and if it be thine will,when we have God's will right on the page in front of us. One major difference I see is how Bible study is approached: Some treat the Bible as a book of severe correction for the believers. We read the Bible and see joy in the victory of Christ Jesus.

My hope is a better understanding between us all and that we come to the realization we are all Spirit filled Christians reading God's living Word.

Can you imagine that. We order or (force) God to move on our behalf because of our faith. Why would we force God to do anything when He has ALREADY provided EVERYTHING that we will ever need today (by His finished work on the cross)? We teach... to just BELIEVE to receive and not doubt.

Many of these (hard core) critics stand on each other's "faithless thinking" in these areas of God's Word that Word of Faith believe. "Personal critisms" are just showing bad fruit. However, at times we also show bad fruit in our responses back to them. Both sides need to repent (change their thinking). The Church must stop judging each other today for the errors of "some" on both sides of any teaching of the Word. None of us have it right!

If God wanted us to suffer for Jesus then "His suffering for us" is in vain. Some actually think that the more they suffer for Jesus the closer to Him they will be. We know that would only GRIEVE Him and won't PLEASE Him at all. The ONLY thing that pleases God is our (faith in action). We are new created spirits and it is the spirit that gives life and our flesh profits nothing or dwelleth no good thing (John 6:63 Romans 7:18). Someone may say, "well, my soul-man (mind/will/emotions) always praises God!" Actually it's our (spirit) that continually praises God. Our soul-man (mind/will/emotions) praises God ONLY when we use our (faith in action). And that pleases God.

When people DIFFER in the (true salvation message) of the gospel of Jesus Christ (good news of His GRACE), they are in doctrinal error and will be eternity lost. This is where our concentration should be. We do it together. And for the ones who really "get this" through (Love and faith), will receive grace upon grace to further equip the saints to win the lost.

Great post John...

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[now faith]

Thank You Harry,
I would truly like to see our forum restored to a fellowship of like believers.
I miss our friends,and look forward to meeting new ones,who become regulars here.

Let's you and I do our best and God will provide new people with knowledge to share.

 

[FireHeart]

Say we talk to inanimate objects say we command our car to start and it does what exactly is the purpose of it and what is the motive behind it?

 

[now faith]

Say we talk to inanimate objects say we command our car to start and it does what exactly is the purpose of it and what is the motive behind it?

I suppose we could curse our car in the same manner,and have a miserable car.

Proverbs: 18. 20. A man's belly shall be satisfied with the fruit of his mouth; and with the increase of his lips shall he be filled. 21. Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

James: 3. 4. Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. 5. Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth! 6. And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. 7. For every kind of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: 8. But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. 9. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10. Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. -

Every new truck or car I buy,I bless it and express my thankfulness to God for it.

I haven't had a lemon since the 80s

 

[hhodgson]

Say we talk to inanimate objects say we command our car to start and it does what exactly is the purpose of it and what is the motive behind it?

The purpose of it was to get my car running that we were having problems with. My wife was pregnent for our fourth child (27 yrs. ago) and we waited a "little" to long till we headed to the hospital.

Our car (did) start ok and we drove to St. Rita's Hospital in Lima, Ohio which is 16 miles away. She was in much pain so we prayed and (spoke) that ALL stop lights (inaminate objects) would be "green" all the way there. Praise God they were ALL green and everything went well. On the way back we counted 13 stop lights. Someone may say, "well, that's no big deal." Only thing I can say to them is to try it once in your area without speeding or slowing down.

I am sure that there are many testimonies out there of Christians who have had similar experiences where God's grace was manifested in some way, whether in an emergency situation of not that would appear to be coincidental but it may have been His protection on them. As we think back over the years there are several situations that we know of that God provided a way where we couldn't.

We are living in the times that the prophets longed to see. The prophets said in the Old Testament, they longed to look into the days that we live in. They long to be a part of these days (Matt:13:17). That’s why these are not fearful times, these are the most exciting days in history. Just before Jesus ascended into heaven He told His disciples that they will do the same miracles that He did. This also includes us.

John 14:12 NET
"I tell you the solemn truth, the person who believes in me will perform the miraculous deeds that I am doing, and will perform greater deeds than these, because I am going to the Father."

Be Blessed to be a Blessing...

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[jerry kelso]

Jerry ,I respect your opinion on this subject I used to think that the Old Testament was void under the New Covenant.
In reading through the Old Testament I discovered that I could see Christ in every aspect of it.
Christ himself taught from the Old Testament,and indeed was the God of Abraham, Isaac,and Jacob.
Ideed we do have a better covenant as joint heirs in Christ as God promised Abraham.
No man could keep the Law,so atonement by blood of animals was needed.
Christ fulfilled the law once and forever, giving us access to God's throne of grace.
Through Christ we are no longer separated from God ,but are part of the Holy family as sons of God.
That is the greatest news ever told the good news the Gospel.

I realize you understand this whole heartedly.
My point here is the Law of Moses was fulfilled,as well the curse of the law was no longer imputed for sin.

Galatians: 3. 13. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: 14. That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

This promise is proprietary to the Law of Moses,before Moses and after Christ the Law was not in effect.
In Christ the Law is given to our heart in the inward man,before Moses the Law did not exist only death from sin was the judgement.

The Law is only one aspect of the Old Testament,the rest is still for our edification.
The Old Testament is God's Word.
Has mankind changed ? Yes but God has not.
The Old Testament is a plethora of knowledge,in literary context.
Some books are poetry,some are prophecy,and some are renderings of examples for our benefit.
Personally I believe Jacob set the example at Bethel a Holy place of God That he vowed a tenth of his first fruits.
1 Corinthians: 9. 11. If we have sown unto you spiritual things, is it a great thing if we shall reap your carnal things? 12. If others be partakers of this power over you, are not we rather? Nevertheless we have not used this power; but suffer all things, lest we should hinder the gospel of Christ. 13. Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the alter are partakers with the alter? 14. Even so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel.
Paul is instructing the congregation that the ministers of the Church should receive from the Church.
Paul received offerings as well,but his role was a evangelist for planting Churches.

Philippians: 4. 14. Notwithstanding ye have well done, that ye did communicate with my affliction. 15. Now ye Philippians know also, that in the beginning of the gospel, when I departed from Macedonia, no church communicated with me as concerning giving and receiving, but ye only. 16. For even in Thessalonica ye sent once and again unto my necessity. 17. Not because I desire a gift: but I desire fruit that may abound to your account. 18. But I have all, and abound: I am full, having received of Epaphroditus the things which were sent from you, an odour of a sweet smell, a sacrifice acceptable, wellpleasing to God. 19. But my God shall supply all your need according to his riches in glory by Christ Jesus.

To conclude on the reference to the Old Testament:

2 Timothy: 3. 16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. - Bible Offline

nowfaith,
Christ did redeem us from the curse of the law etc. It was accomplished in the finished work of his death, burial, and resurrection. This was after his role as Messiah to the jewish nation under the Mosaic law and the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God message.
God's laws of right and wrong never change like in the moral aspect. Murder, adultery,etc. were always wrong but there was no written law for murder in the antediluvian period it was under the law of conscience and was wrong but had no formal punishment. Under Moses it was written and mandatory and concurred a formal punishment. Murder is still wrong but punished under the civil law according to Timothy and it is for the disobedient for we are not to murder. Adultery was wrong under conscience with no formal judgment but under Moses law people were stoned to death. Today people don't get stoned as a general rule for the curse has been lifted.
The whole bible is for us in the proper perspective and the historical context has to be understood before we can understand what it means to us in the new covenant. This is why there are so many wrong doctrines that can cause a suffering of the christian's everyday life and a falling away.
As far as the tithe; Abraham gave a tithe which was the tenth of the spoils of war and gave to Melchizadek the priest of God of which Christ priesthood is connected to and not the levitical priesthood which was done away with.
Jacob told God in a demanding way about giving to him and he also told God he would not let go until God blessed him.
Abraham gave a tithe of the spoils of war. Under the law it was mandatory to give a tithe in order to be blessed and it was agriculture. Christ ministry of the parables was all about sowing a message and reaping the result of that message. This message was about the Kingdom of Heaven and the Kingdom of God.
Give and it shall be given unto was sowing the message of the kingdom. The message was to be so sown throughout the kingdom and received that it would cause a climatic change and the kingdom would be theirs and the wolf would lay down with them lamb and the lion and the trees and flowers would blood etc.
The early church was about a message sown and what was reaped was the result of that message.
The Corinthians were to give bountifully by request of Paul for the poor saints of Jerusalem. They were poor because of the jews that had treated them unfairly for 100 years. This had nothing to do with even supporting the church as a whole. I am not advocating that the church doesn't need money support for it takes money to get things done and the laborer is worthy of his hire but, there is no scripture that supports that money is sown and money reaped. The message was sown and Paul reaped carnal things.
It is said that money sown is an open denial of Roman 8:32 that says God gave his son freely so that he could give us all things freely. So the essence is that if you teach one to give as in to get you must do legalistically he will limit his giving but if you teach what Christ did as in his finished work he will give more than the tithe.
There have been so many people that thought giving was principles etc. and gave thinking they would get back because the power was in their seed and they lost everything and became bitter and departed from the faith.
It is important to be a good steward of faith and believe and look to the finished work of Christ and that those things he won and guaranteed the resurrection which is our hope of eternal living after this life and the allocations of the cross by way of the risen Lord is won in the throne room where Christ intercedes on the mercy seat and that he has all authority and power and yearns to give us all things freely. Praise the Lord for that promise! Food for thought! Jerry Kelso

 

[now faith]

James: 2. 14. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15. If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16. And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.


Romans: 8. 32. He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33. Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.


I'm glad your posting here Jerry,it's nice to have civil conversation.

I think we are on common ground.

The key in Romans 8 is [it is God who justifies],as James teaches on what we have received by faith it is our commission to freely give as God has freely given all things to us.

God's Word always will reconcile and has no conflict,it is our doctrines that create conflict.

We are to strive to be Christ like ,made in God's image Christ is our our example and he gave all.
In His act of great passion toward us we received all things.

Giving is a act of passion unwarranted out of love,we should all strive to give cheerfully,and freely with unconditional love.

 

[jerry kelso]

James: 2. 14. What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him? 15. If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16. And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit? 17. Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. 18. Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.


Romans: 8. 32. He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33. Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.


I'm glad your posting here Jerry,it's nice to have civil conversation.

I think we are on common ground.

The key in Romans 8 is [it is God who justifies],as James teaches on what we have received by faith it is our commission to freely give as God has freely given all things to us.

God's Word always will reconcile and has no conflict,it is our doctrines that create conflict.

We are to strive to be Christ like ,made in God's image Christ is our our example and he gave all.
In His act of great passion toward us we received all things.

Giving is a act of passion unwarranted out of love,we should all strive to give cheerfully,and freely with unconditional love.

nowfaith,

1. I agree, I believe we are on common ground.
There is no doubt that some doctrines taught help some to grow in faith and others it is a stumbling block.
For example, I love Charles Stanley even though I think his message of Eternal Security as a whole is a stumbling block to some and a detriment for others. However, others don't go to seed on it and it doesn't necessarily upset their apple cart and they don't use it as a license to sin. The same way with prosperity messages and some are couched in better and common sense than others.
2. Man has a way and God has a way and his way is better and the point of giving is recognizing who the Giver is and what he did at Calvary and what he is doing in the throne room interceding for everything in life. Many still teach legalistically as in having to give or God will punish you and this is not what Paul said.
The question is could the jews have given under the Mosaic law with a cheerful heart and prove God? Sure for they were demanded to do that by God or either they were blessed or cursed. I say this because the jews were to love the Lord their God with all their heart, mind, and soul so it would be who they were. But, because of the law of sin and death took advantage of the law that was holy and good and made them lean to the frailty of man. They did not have the power of the crucified Christ and his finished work at Calvary.
This was the reason that the new covenant was built on better promises. God is order and has a reason for everything and a better way. So scripturally I believe we have to understand first the historical context of what they did and why they did it or what made them do it according to the mechanics and workings of the covenant.
3. It is not a matter of semantics but being true to the word.
4. On the other hand I understand about being built on faith and laws of sowing and reaping as long as you are sowing the right thing. We do have to remember Jesus was under the old covenant when he talked about sowing the message in his parables. After Calvary the only place really talked about sowing basically was Paul in the Corinthian letter. It was for the poor saints in Jerusalem and not the church. It was to bless those who had increase not to get increase and it was to be given out of perfect love and not contrived. Paul said they could expect to be blessed.
5. I guess what I am saying is proper perspective should be given so people can understand what it means to us today. The object of faith is not sowing money but the message of the death, burial, and resurrection and then I believe we can minimize the risk of going overboard on an important truth. Good conversation God Bless! Jerry kelso

 

[now faith]

Jerry I too enjoy the elder sage Charles Stanley.

Check out his book on prosperity,it has been a few years but I remember it being a very balanced viewpoint on the subject.

 

[Truthfrees]

If you are not WOF you are only allowed to ask questions and post in fellowship.

No debating or teaching against WOF beliefs please.

 

[bloodbought09]

First off, I am not word of faith and never will be. I am a bible believing Christian. Debating is not going to get anywhere. So, I thought to talk about my experiences, what I believe and give testimony to the greatness of God, for His praise and glory. For the testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy.

I was baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of tongues after being given an unction of singing "Lord Jesus teach my soul to pray". Since then I have prayed against storms, binded child abductors and loosed them to the authorities and the child to their parents. I prayed very fervently in the Spirit for my brother on my face that he would be spared and healed from his wife beating in his head with a hammer when he was asleep. He died but a voice spoke to me and said "Your brother is in heaven". I get to see him again one day.

Being a Christian has not been all prosperity and great experiences. It is the hardest life I have ever lived and I would not trade anything for it. Since I have been born-again, resisting the devil to shed blood, I have had fierce battles with peace and moments of rest.

As for praying over inanimate objects, I did ask God for a new truck. I have had it since about 2008. "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." I saw my truck in a dream, then shortly after my dad bought it outright for cash and I paid him back every penny.

As for praying for animate objects, I did pray for my girlfriend's knee and her leg is healed. But "faith without works is dead". With my love for her, I got her ice and plastic bags, and took care of her. The good samaritan would do the same.

But do not get me wrong. I am not bragging about being powerful. Without God and faith, I could not do this stuff on my own. We do not do good works to earn grace but we accept His grace as a free gift and are created as a workmanship by Him to do good works.

I hope this gives you all a good insight into me, instead of refuting false preachers, teachers, and doctrine. Besides, as I do have a good knowledge of many religions, I find I know more about say Mormon doctrines, Jehovah Witness doctrines, and other religion's doctrines than most who have been in them for years. Praise God that as we exercise our senses we can discern between good and evil. And I can assuredly say that I see things more clearly than I did in the past years and better than many who have been sitting in church for several decades.

In fact, if we all want to pray over a good object, then pray for this great country America because we have been in a moral decline for many decades. I love this country and the freedom we have but our freedom also means that people can do what they want whether it is good or evil. Jesus Christ needs to be once again lifted up in this nation so that we may have a time of refreshing. But if heavy persecution is coming here then so be it. Even so, come Lord Jesus, come.

 

[hhodgson]

First off, I am not word of faith and never will be. I am a bible believing Christian. Debating is not going to get anywhere. So, I thought to talk about my experiences, what I believe and give testimony to the greatness of God, for His praise and glory. For the testimony of Jesus Christ is the Spirit of prophecy.

I agree with the bold part, but... yet (some) spend more time/effort debating than winning the lost. That is sad.

Thank you for your testimony and as a (patriot), I agree with your stance on the love and freedom of our country that, yes... has been in moral decline, however... this will continue if it's part of God's Plan. We are to pray for all (people) but as a nation... I pray for Israel.

But do not get me wrong. I am not bragging about being powerful. Without God and faith, I could not do this stuff on my own. We do not do good works to earn grace but we accept His grace as a free gift and are created as a workmanship by Him to do good works.

I hope this gives you all a good insight into me, instead of refuting false preachers, teachers, and doctrine. Besides, as I do have a good knowledge of many religions, I find I know more about say Mormon doctrines, Jehovah Witness doctrines, and other religion's doctrines than most who have been in them for years. Praise God that as we exercise our senses we can discern between good and evil. And I can assuredly say that I see things more clearly than I did in the past years and better than many who have been sitting in church for several decades.

We are here to uplift, exhort and Love one another so God can complete His work in us. It's been over two months since you have responded to this thread. I pray you meant it when you said you see things more clearly. Time will tell. The problem is not "refuting" one another's belief (except)... this is NOT the place for it by being a non-member of the Word of Faith forum. Debating and teaching here is not allowed. Any one can come into our home and fellowship and ask questions.

Welcome back brother... I have a few knots on my head too.

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