speaking the word over inanimate objects

[janny108]

I know in the bible there are references where ppl spoke over an inanimate object with the word. Bill Winston mentioned to speak over your purse and confess the word that there is more money in it. Your thoughts?

 

[Grant Peterson]

Hhhmm ... I think I'd find that a hard confession to base on a scripture. Probably rather something... "My God shall supply all my needs ..." etc

 

[janny108]

Hhhmm ... I think I'd find that a hard confession to base on a scripture. Probably rather something... "My God shall supply all my needs ..." etc

agreed. but...didn't Jesus speak to the fig tree and cursed it because it was not fruitful?

 

[now faith]

Sure did ,but he is God.
I enjoy Bill Winston his passion is a inspiration.
Jesus said if my words abide in you,it is a far better thing to proclaim God's Word than something from the World.

 

[janny108]

Sure did ,but he is God.
I enjoy Bill Winston his passion is a inspiration.
Jesus said if my words abide in you,it is a far better thing to proclaim God's Word than something from the World.

agreed!!

 

[hhodgson]

agreed. but...didn't Jesus speak to the fig tree and cursed it because it was not fruitful?

Not meaning to derail this thread but the OP's context is about speaking to inanimate objects. I have spoken to dying or dead trees in my yard. I have spoken to my car to start when it wouldn't on it's own. etc. I am sure that we could all come up with testimonies of what Bill Winston and others are teaching about on this subject. I have little to no problem with that. But the problem I am having is using the lesson of the fig tree as an example. Would a fig tree be considered an inanimate object? The tree was "alive" before Jesus spoke to it and then it withered up and "died." It just didn't "bear fruit." It had no free will but is still a "living" organism that consumes, grows, reproduces, and dies.

I went to several dictionaries on the web....

Inanimate Objects: According to several definitions of the word (inanimate), the meaning is centered around "(life or no life)"... anything nonliving or not capable of life, lifeless, without spirit, not alive or recently died. Not having the qualities associated with active, living organisms. Lacking vitality, lacking any sign of life or consciousness; appearing dead, lacking vitality, lifeless or without spirit, anything non-living. No sign of life, nonliving things.

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[janny108]

Not meaning to derail this thread but the OP's context is about speaking to inanimate objects. I have spoken to dying or dead trees in my yard. I have spoken to my car to start when it wouldn't on it's own. etc. I am sure that we could all come up with testimonies of what Bill Winston and others are teaching about on this subject. I have little to no problem with that. But the problem I am having is using the lesson of the fig tree as an example. Would a fig tree be considered an inanimate object? The tree was "alive" before Jesus spoke to it and then it withered up and "died." It just didn't "bear fruit." It had no free will but is still a "living" organism that consumes, grows, reproduces, and dies.

I went to several dictionaries on the web....

Inanimate Objects: According to several definitions of the word (inanimate), the meaning is centered around "(life or no life)"... anything nonliving or not capable of life, lifeless, without spirit, not alive or recently died. Not having the qualities associated with active, living organisms. Lacking vitality, lacking any sign of life or consciousness; appearing dead, lacking vitality, lifeless or without spirit, anything non-living. No sign of life, nonliving things.

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I did not think of that. Yes it is "alive" in that sense but an inanimate object in that it does not move, speak, etc.

I don't have a wof church in my area, but our pastor shared a story about someone who needed gas and water turned to gasoline and it sustained him 400 miles or so. I like to hear about things like that, kind of helps my faith!

 

[now faith]

With God all things are possible.

Luke: 19. 39. And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40. And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

 

[janny108]

With God all things are possible.

Luke: 19. 39. And some of the Pharisees from among the multitude said unto him, Master, rebuke thy disciples. 40. And he answered and said unto them, I tell you that, if these should hold their peace, the stones would immediately cry out.

 

[janny108]

Kenneth Copeland's book the Blessing mentions he talked to his trees to thrive and they did

 

[jerry kelso]

Not meaning to derail this thread but the OP's context is about speaking to inanimate objects. I have spoken to dying or dead trees in my yard. I have spoken to my car to start when it wouldn't on it's own. etc. I am sure that we could all come up with testimonies of what Bill Winston and others are teaching about on this subject. I have little to no problem with that. But the problem I am having is using the lesson of the fig tree as an example. Would a fig tree be considered an inanimate object? The tree was "alive" before Jesus spoke to it and then it withered up and "died." It just didn't "bear fruit." It had no free will but is still a "living" organism that consumes, grows, reproduces, and dies.

I went to several dictionaries on the web....

Inanimate Objects: According to several definitions of the word (inanimate), the meaning is centered around "(life or no life)"... anything nonliving or not capable of life, lifeless, without spirit, not alive or recently died. Not having the qualities associated with active, living organisms. Lacking vitality, lacking any sign of life or consciousness; appearing dead, lacking vitality, lifeless or without spirit, anything non-living. No sign of life, nonliving things.

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hhodgson,
1. Inanimate objects in scripture are considered non living things like the things used in the work of the priests and in the book of Zechariah with the lamps and the golden candlesticks in Revelation etc. even though they represent the angels of the church who were the preachers of the church who were real people.
The fig tree is not considered an inanimate object.
2. The Word of Faith doctrine of naming and claiming it and speaking things into existence is not exactly true in the complete context of Jesus ministry and teachings or at least how people took it to the extreme.
3. Just like any other doctrine there are extremes.
4. When Jesus preached to the nation of Israel he was offering the Kingdom of Heaven rule which is promised to the jewish nation through the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants. Abrahamic being the land and the Davidic as the Kingdom rule.
In the days of Jesus they could had have faith to achieve the same results as Jesus. This would seem to go in line with Paul calling things into existence things that are not existent. If it is true that it takes faith to move a literal mountain then if it did not it would be because people didn't really have faith.
It is said that in the millennial kingdom when the curse is lifted we will only have to speak and it will be done. This means we will have to have no faith. So if the person is only speaking and not really believing in faith could be the reason things don't come to be. There are other reasons such as God's will being done in earth as in heaven as in the Lord's prayer etc.
One might command an inanimate object such as a mountain to physically fall but unless God has a good reason for that to happen it most likely will not happen. You could have faith and most likely it will not happen.
At the same time, one could have faith to move the mountain literally to say build a church there or whatever and God could speak to the owner of the mountain and they could bulldozer it down. But according to the scripture speaking alone will not cause inanimate objects to do whatever you command it to do. Without proper faith and God's will working together it is hard pressed to call something into being. In the millennial kingdom we will be able to do this and think of where we want to be and be there. Food for thought Jerry kelso

 

[Alive_Again]

"2. The Word of Faith doctrine of naming and claiming it and speaking things into existence is not exactly true in the complete context of Jesus ministry and teachings or at least how people took it to the extreme."

It is better for you not so say such things as the "Word of Faith doctrine of naming and claiming it" unless you want to ask about it. A congregation is not a place of debate. You presume it to be in a way that is unscriptural.

As far as speaking to your wallet, I think of someone like Norvel Hayes. Norvel's businesses were under attack and he was losing money hand over fist. He still served God. He stood his ground and said, "I see thousands and thousands of dollars!" He would go on... He spoke agreement with God's Word about provision to those who seek the kingdom first. Someone who speaks abundance into their wallet (basket and store) is declaring agreement of financial blessing. To do that gets your angels working to bring about by grace what you would otherwise think you would have to drum up by your flesh. Not that we don't have to work, but Jesus became poor so that you would have a full supply. Since we are called to give, that means having a supply (stewardship) to give.

You're not speaking to the wallet to transform it into currency or whatever. You're agreeing with the financial aspect of the Kingdom of God (assuming your heart is right). It's part of God's benefits package to those who love Him. You could speak to the water (to wine) or the storm or a rod or a number of other examples and they would be valid. This presumes that you're hearing God or seeing with the eye of faith (by revelation).

 

[jerry kelso]

"2. The Word of Faith doctrine of naming and claiming it and speaking things into existence is not exactly true in the complete context of Jesus ministry and teachings or at least how people took it to the extreme."

It is better for you not so say such things as the "Word of Faith doctrine of naming and claiming it" unless you want to ask about it. A congregation is not a place of debate. You presume it to be in a way that is unscriptural.

As far as speaking to your wallet, I think of someone like Norvel Hayes. Norvel's businesses were under attack and he was losing money hand over fist. He still served God. He stood his ground and said, "I see thousands and thousands of dollars!" He would go on... He spoke agreement with God's Word about provision to those who seek the kingdom first. Someone who speaks abundance into their wallet (basket and store) is declaring agreement of financial blessing. To do that gets your angels working to bring about by grace what you would otherwise think you would have to drum up by your flesh. Not that we don't have to work, but Jesus became poor so that you would have a full supply. Since we are called to give, that means having a supply (stewardship) to give.

You're not speaking to the wallet to transform it into currency or whatever. You're agreeing with the financial aspect of the Kingdom of God (assuming your heart is right). It's part of God's benefits package to those who love Him. You could speak to the water (to wine) or the storm or a rod or a number of other examples and they would be valid. This presumes that you're hearing God or seeing with the eye of faith (by revelation).

alive again,
I believe you misunderstood what I said or may be I didn't explain it quit clear enough for you.
I am not against the laws of sowing and reaping or believing in faith for things to come true. The doctrine has extremes just like any other doctrine that has truth and not everyone necessarily believes or does it.
We were talking about inanimate objects and speaking things into existence such as inanimate objects and speaking and not having faith versus just speaking without faith.
There are some who were in the name and claim it era that did not have faith and they were wrong and obviously the WoF wouldn't adhere to this type of name and claim it for there denomination is all about faith.
I wouldn't accuse Hagin and Copland of not having faith even though they may have missed the boat at times. I am not against faith for without faith it is impossible to please God.
I have known people who were WoF preachers and when the answer didn't come they were perplexed because they taught if you pray and it doesn't come to pass then you didn't have faith or not enough faith. On the other hand many in other denominations would say if its God's will or whatever happened was God's will and was meant to be or it was his will and never have faith.
Also, the name it and claim era perception was more of principles and belief in those principles to come to pass and some christians missed the will of God and it was more like a magic cantation to skeptics.
I am not against WoF even though I don't agree with things such as Jesus became a sinner and suffered in hell etc. context.
I understand about the wallet analogy and have no problem with having faith in God for finances. My dad preached from Kenneth Hagin and Kenneth Copland both.
It does boil down to faith and the correct interpretation of the old testament scripture and new and how they operate. Jesus said in Luke 6:38 Give and it shall be given to you pressed down shaken together running over shall men give unto your bosom. Historically, this was under the age of the Mosaic law and was connected to the blessing and cursing system to Israel as a nation. Matthew 6:33 Seek you first the kingdom of God and all these things shall be added unto you. Historically, these were things they had to do in order to be blessed. Today we are set and blessed in heavenly and high places and we do things because of who we are and not what we do out of the letter or principle.
The main thing is that people do not speak to make things happen until the millennial kingdom. Today we have to have faith. Jesus required faith and his teachings were under the law at the same time and we do not have a specific blessing and cursing system for the curse has been lifted and we are blessed and set in heavenly places. And people have misunderstood as well as the preachers themselves about some of the doctrine they have preached.
I am sorry for the misunderstanding but I actually didn't say nothing wrong even though the perception might have appeared as slight; which it wasn't for that was not my intention. Having faith is good and one cannot please God without it. I have to go but I would be glad to converse more about giving. God bless Jerry kelso

 

[Kathryn Jensen]

It would be better than pulling money out of a fish's mouth...lol

 

[bloodbought09]

Here we go again. I think Kenneth Copeland's garden grew because he took good care of watering and tending it. Speaking and performing things a certain way is what witches do.

 

[bloodbought09]

Watermelon cometh forth! Nope. Maybe I said it wrong. Money cometh to me! Nope. Oh well I get paid for my hard work on Wednesday and if I wanted I could plant some watermelon seeds and water it and eventually with some good ground and time it will come forth. Needed some food today so I went to a pantry at a church. My girlfriend gave me the idea months ago but I do not like to take handouts. I did not have to call the church forth or really do anything. My girlfriend just happened to drive by and see and relate it to me. Praise the Lord!

 

[Kathryn Jensen]

All she did was politely ask what one thinks. Why the need to be so rude with this "here we go again" remark? Just curious?

 

[bloodbought09]

It does not matter. I am not staying around talks over heretical preachers like Kenneth Copeland anyhow. I been baptized in the Holy Ghost but I do not subscribe to pretenders, false prophets and false teachers.

 

[Kathryn Jensen]

" Speaking and performing things a certain way is what witches do."
God was the originator of "speaking." He spoke things into existence (Gen). Even if it's only allegorical, that is the way He chose to express His way of doing things. Further, Is 55: - So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it. I could go on. There is a lot mentioned in the Bible about faith and what is spoken. Prov 18: 21 Death and life are in the power of the tongue: and they that love it shall eat the fruit thereof.

Mark 11:23- For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

I could spend all day on this topic. No need. I would guess you aren't interested, and just really want to criticize. Where I don't agree (she was just asking) with speaking money into a wallet as a specific ritual, God can do whatever He wants, and has. Moreover, He has taken great pains to pen countless various ways that He does do things so that people can't say that God doesn't do this or that. He has done His best to keep man from "putting Him in a box" and deciding how and what He will do. Alas, it stop people: wall coming down after walking around it 7x, dipping in a muddy sea, donkey talking, men being taken up to heaven in a chariot, mud being rubbed in eyes, money from a fish's mouth, raising a hammer head, etc,. He does try, but it doesn't always work.

 

[Kathryn Jensen]

" I been baptized in the Holy Ghost but I do not subscribe to pretenders, false prophets and false teachers."

"If I speak with the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging symbol."

If you think your fellow brother is in error, why don't you lovingingly, rather than critically, try to reveal truth through Scripture? Rather than come in with a Holier than though attitude?