Speaking in Tongues?

[fwGod]

I was stating a fact and giving you the opportunity to provide us with the "plenty of scriptures" that you say teach otherwise.


Hmm. So I guess it's not "plenty of scriptures" after all.


You don't have much choice, do you?

I can detect a challenge in your post. But I challenge you to acknowledge the first given verse.

If not, then it's pointless to give the many that there are.

Or, you could just look them up on any Bible verses sight. You don't need me to give them to you.

But I'm thinking that you don't want to do the latter because it's no fun to you to argue with a Bible verse site who won't get shaken up to where it debates with you.

 

[Albion]

I can detect a challenge in your post.

You might think that, but it was nothing combative.

I said that there are plenty of scriptures that testify to the idea that there are angelic languages, and I know that there aren't.

So if anyone thinks that there are indeed languages spoken among the angels, here is the opportunity for proving it so.

But I challenge you to acknowledge the first given verse.

Okay, that lone verse is saying that there are NOT angelic languages, not that there actually ARE.

When it says that not even if you were to hear something spoken in the tongues of angels....

it is not a confirmation that such languages do exist, but rather like us saying that "not even when pigs fly" will something or other come to pass! Get it? It is not saying that pigs CAN fly, but presumes that the listener realizes that that isn't going to happen and so whatever that is being compared to won't either.

 

[Petunia]

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[Petunia]

You might think that, but it was nothing combative.

I said that there are plenty of scriptures that testify to the idea that there are angelic languages, and I know that there aren't.

So if anyone thinks that there are indeed languages spoken among the angels, here is the opportunity for proving it so.


Okay, that lone verse is saying that there are NOT angelic languages, not that there actually ARE.

When it says that not even if you were to hear something spoken in the tongues of angels....

it is not a confirmation that such languages do exist, but rather like us saying that "not even when pigs fly" will something or other come to pass! Get it? It is not saying that pigs CAN fly, but presumes that the listener realizes that that isn't going to happen and so whatever that is being compared to won't either.

How do you account for the angels singing praises to God?

 

[Albion]

How do you account for the angels singing praises to God?

You are probably referring to Revelation 5 and 8 in which we are told of angels singing, but that is from a vision St. John had, not a literal event. He even says so himself. As you know, the book is filled with bizarre symbolic beings and events that we Christians have had to interpret--four horsemen on different colored horses, for instance.

Or, you might be referring to a few other places in Scripture in which choirs of angels sing, but those are instances in which humans heard them using human languages. The words are recorded in scripture. There were no strange sounds which might be "angelic tongues."

As we know, angels are recorded in scripture as having been being sent as messengers to mankind from time to time; and they take on the appearance of humans for the occasion, but we know that such is not their natural condition.

 

[fwGod]

You might think that, but it was nothing combative.

Fair enough. On that basis I'll discuss the topic with you.

I said that there are plenty of scriptures that testify to the idea that there are angelic languages,

There is a difference between "angelic languages" and "angels speaking to humans".. so which are you talking about?

and I know that there aren't.

I'd be interested to get your explanation of how you know that.

So if anyone thinks that there are indeed languages spoken among the angels, here is the opportunity for proving it so.

Alright. I'll give a scripture reference. But due to the general tendency of believers having different teacher, pastor interpretations, I won't be holding my breath on whether you or anyone else for that matter, consider it to be proof.

Jude 9 is a summary of an incident of the angel Michael and the devil discussing the body of Moses, and the angel rebuked the devil.

It's not as if Jude had been there to witness it since it happened well before he was born.

My question to you is.. were the angel and the devil.. having a private discussion, speaking a human language to each other?

I would say, no. Which means that they both being of the angelic class spoke to each other in an angelic language.
For the purpose of teaching on the topic, Jude had gotten a revealed interpretation from God of what the angel and devil had said.

Okay, that lone verse is saying that there are NOT angelic languages, not that there actually ARE.

I know of 1Cor.13:1 that says there are angelic languages.

When it says that not even if you were to hear something spoken in the tongues of angels....it is not a confirmation that such languages do exist,

It would be an ill advised way to teach on speaking the tongues of angels if they didn't exist.

but rather like us saying that "not even when pigs fly" will something or other come to pass! Get it? It is not saying that pigs CAN fly, but presumes that the listener realizes that that isn't going to happen and so whatever that is being compared to won't either.

The verse Paul wrote (1Cor.13:1) doesn't indicate at all that what he said isn't going to happen. In my observation unbelief has to be taught. In contrast, the Bible says that faith comes by hearing the Word.

Your claim that there are no angelic languages seems to be based on the cessation of speaking in tongues teaching, which I don't subscribe to.

 

[Albion]

There is a difference between "angelic languages" and "angels speaking to humans".. so which are you talking about?

The issue was angelic language/tongues, not that angels who have come into our world for one reason or another can imitate our own speech.

For the purpose of teaching on the topic, Jude had gotten a revealed interpretation from God of what the angel and devil had said.

If so, there is no reason to think that angels speak a language that, importantly, is what charismatic Christians are speaking when they give forth with some unintelligible sounds. That is the issue with so-called angelic tongues. It's an excuse intended to explain how babbling or ecstatic utterances do not have the nature of any known language.

Your claim that there are no angelic languages seems to be based on the cessation of speaking in tongues teaching, which I don't subscribe to.

No, the two have no real connection to each other.