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The intrepid warriors are still slugging it out after the less resilient ones are giving up on this thread. But continue to bring it on! I'm having fun!![]()
Someone rattle my cage?bump for oscar
I agree that the ministry of the Holy Spirit is not a spectator sport. Jesus certainly did not minister this way in great big meetings with special effects. And it certainly does not reflect the type of ministry practiced by the Pentecostal pioneers early in the 20th Century.Here is another example of a charismatic church which claims to have gifts of the Holy Spirit- including the gift of healing and speaking in tongues.
So I do not see how this brings glory to God and convinces people to trust in Jesus- but hundreds of thousands of people would disagree with me.
6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
every man heard them speak in his own language.
Hi BrotherYou have provided this scripture as one of the reasons that believe the disciples in Acts 2 understood themselves when they spoke in tongues. You highlighted the part stating
In post #294 I analyzed this verse and concluded that the phrase "every man" only refers to the crowd and not the disciples. If my analysis is correct, this scripture does not state or intimate that the disciples understood themselves while they spoke in tongues. If my analysis contained any interpretive errors I would be interested in having you point them out. Are you able to point out any interpretative errors in my analysis of Acts 2:6 as provided in post #294?
Actually,tPaul suggested that they'd think you're crazyWould not anyone hearing this message be distracted and turned away from our faith by the words "spoken in tongues", instead of being inspired by words they can understand?
Who's suggesting otherwise? We, in our church, present a clear messageIf someone wanted to inspire confidence in Christianity, instead of bringing it into question or even ridicule, should they not speak in a clear language that can be understood be those present?
Tongues isn't for communicating to men (or is there another type of manifestation of tongues? Hmmmmmm)Why do we need to resort to speech that is unintelligible, instead of continuing to be inspired by the eloquent and profoundly inspirational and moving messages delivered in a plain and understandable language by the great ministers of our faith, including Christ himself?
It was prophesied in the book of Joel. I am Pentecostal.
Better question is what does the Bible say about tongues.Why is it only one denomination of Christians- Pentecostals- who so strongly support "speaking in tongues"?
What would they have recorded?And I ask again, why is there not a single reference to Jesus ever speaking in tongues, or urging His followers to do so?
It was prophesied in the book of Joel. I am Pentecostal.
Could you be more specific please- which verse in Joel?
Why is it only one denomination of Christians- Pentecostals- who so strongly support "speaking in tongues"?
And I ask again, why is there not a single reference to Jesus ever speaking in tongues, or urging His followers to do so?
Joel 2:28-32 (New King James Version)
Gods Spirit Poured Out
28 And it shall come to pass afterward
That I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your old men shall dream dreams,
Your young men shall see visions.
29 And also on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
30 And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.
32 And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the LORD
Shall be saved.
For in Mount Zion and in Jerusalem there shall be deliverance,
As the LORD has said,
Among the remnant whom the LORD calls.