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Speaking in Tongues a Cessationists’ View

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Dave L

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Paul limits the understanding of tongues to God and those with the gift of interpretation.
1 Corinthians 14:2

But he also says prophecy edifies the hearer because they understand what they are saying. So the person speaking in tongues must have also had the gift of interpretation. Because Paul says those who speak in tongues edify (understand) themselves.
 
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I don't think that the interpretation of tongues is quite that "robotic". Meaning, the interpreter of tongues may be led to bring some "preaching", or additional revelation, with the tongues interpretation. It would be an interesting experiment none the less. But any problems encountered could have several meanings.
 
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Are you saying that God doesn't speak to you?
 
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What is your understanding of when and how the Baptism of the Holy Spirit occurs? Do you see it as a separate and subsequent experience to salvation?
It was separate before Pentecost. But combined with the new birth afterwards.
 
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I don't think those devout Jews were born again. Peter's sermon indicated that they were not believers. What they needed to do was to repent and be baptized and receive the Holy Spirit. Thus not born again.

Saul was a devout Jew before he was born again and renamed Paul.

Acts 2:36-39
“Therefore let all Israel be assured of this: God has made this Jesus, whom you crucified, both Lord and Messiah.”
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”
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Also notice who the promise (gift of the Holy Spirit) is for. Four groups are mentioned.

The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” - verse 39

Have you been called?
 
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The fact they they received Christ proved they were born again. Faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. All of the Jews listed in Hebrews 11 were born again because you cannot have faith apart from the new birth.

The reason they were cut to the heart was because they believed.
 
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It seems to me that you are getting the cart before the horse.

Was Nicodemus a devout Jew?
“You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus,
“and do you not understand these things?
- John 3:10

John 3:1-3
Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council.
2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.”
 
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So the person speaking in tongues must have also had the gift of interpretation.
The people in the crowd in Acts 2 were not saved until after Peter's speech which is after the time you believe the interpretation occurred. This means you are saying that prior to salvation, people in the crowd were exercising spiritual gifts. Do you believe that unbelievers exercise spiritual gifts or is this an unintended result of your premise?
 
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That was after the sermon, not before the outpouring.
“Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”” (Acts 2:37)
After the outpouring.
 
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They were born again Jews = saved. Just as King David and all mentioned in Hebrews 11.
 
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To me, hearing (or reading) Cessationists talk about Tongues is like the story of the blind men describing an elephant. One touched its side and said the elephant is like a wall, one touched its tail and said the elephant is like a rope, one touched its trunk and said the elephant is like a tree, etc.

The "perfect" has not come yet.

Although Tongues may be faked today by some, the genuine is still among us. Just as their is such a thing as counterfeit money, but that does not make real currency invalid.

Most charismatics and pentecostals have ACTUALLY SEEN THE ELEPHANT

and no Cessationist jibberish will deter them.
 
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Is the Bible perfect?
 
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“Now when they heard this they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”” (Acts 2:37)
After the outpouring.
Just to be clear, you seem to be claiming they were born again before the outpouring. I am claiming that they were not born again until after the sermon.

Obviously the sermon was after the outpouring. -- outpouring > sermon > born again
Whereas you seem to be saying. -- born again > outpouring > sermon ???
 
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What is you understanding of what is means to be born again? How does it occur and what are the requirements? What relationship does the new birth have to the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ?
 
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You titled the thread: "Speaking in Tongues a Cessationists’ View"
What part of your post is Cessationist?
 
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You titled the thread: "Speaking in Tongues a Cessationists’ View"
What part of your post is Cessationist?
I assume all of it? It's not the standard view but one I think hits closer to the truth.
 
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They were born again Jews = saved. Just as King David and all mentioned in Hebrews 11.
Hebrews eleven is the faith chapter, not the "born again" chapter.
The Hall of Fame of faith, not the Hall of Fame of "born again".
I don't believe any of the OT Patriarchs were "born again".
 
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