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BTW to equate her with the Ark of the Covenant is BLASPHEMY ;)
 
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But was she the womb that carried the incarnate Logos?
Beside the point:
Luke 11:27-28 27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. <
 
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Actually the revelation has not be yet fullfilled...thus you do not know...Pure speculation...
It's blasphemy to elevate a mere human being to the status of divinity. Blasphemy. JESUS IS THE ARK. NOT your godess
 
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ANYONE who thinks they are seeing visions of a woman who died 2000 years ago are delving into occult practices. The mulsims are slowly warming up to it because they like that.

Do NOT trust ANY VISIONS. I cannot understand how someone who call themselves christians can fall on their faces and get into a trance in front of an apparition!!! OCCULT!!!!! BABYLON!!!! RUN AWAY!

This is not from God! The deception is getting strong.

2 Thessalonians 11-14
And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.

2 Corinthians 11:14
for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

I've heard her say "pray to me" ...Pray to me???? What kind of deception is that??? Mary is not speaking to you!!! You are being deceived! You are going into occult practices. Pray to God and Jesus ONLY!!!!
 
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SCARY FACTS About ISLAM
-Dr. Peter Hammond.

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a
complete, total, 100% system of life.

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military
components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other
components.

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country
to agitate for their religious privileges.

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies
agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the
other components tend to creep in as well.

Here's how it works.

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in
any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a
peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is
the case in:

United States -- Muslim 0.6%
Australia -- Muslim 1.5%
Canada -- Muslim 1.9%
China -- Muslim 1.8%
Italy -- Muslim 1.5%
Norway -- Muslim 1.8%

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities
and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails
and among street gangs. This is happening in:

Denmark -- Muslim 2%
Germany -- Muslim 3.7%
United Kingdom -- Muslim 2.7%
Spain -- Muslim 4%
Thailand -- Muslim 4.6%

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to
their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for
the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby
securing food preparation jobs for Muslims. They will increase
pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves --
along with threats for failure to comply. This is occurring in:

France -- Muslim 8%
Philippines -- Muslim 5%
Sweden -- Muslim 5%
Switzerland -- Muslim 4.3%
The Netherlands -- Muslim 5.5%
Trinidad & Tobago -- Muslim 5.8%

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow
them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the
Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia
law over the entire world.

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to
increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their
conditions. In Paris, we are already seeing car-burnings. Any
non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and
threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed
cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily,
particularly in Muslim sections, in:

Guyana -- Muslim 10%
India -- Muslim 13.4%
Israel -- Muslim 16%
Kenya -- Muslim 10%
Russia -- Muslim 15%

After reaching 20%, nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad
militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian
churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia -- Muslim 32.8%

At 40%, nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror
attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

Bosnia -- Muslim 40%
Chad -- Muslim 53.1%
Lebanon -- Muslim 59.7%

From 60%, nations experience unfettered persecution of
non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming
Muslims), sporadic ethnic cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law
as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

Albania -- Muslim 70%
Malaysia -- Muslim 60.4%
Qatar -- Muslim 77.5%
Sudan -- Muslim 70%

After 80%, expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some
State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these
nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such
as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

Bangladesh -- Muslim 83%
Egypt -- Muslim 90%
Gaza -- Muslim 98.7%
Indonesia -- Muslim 86.1%
Iran -- Muslim 98%
Iraq -- Muslim 97%
Jordan -- Muslim 92%
Morocco -- Muslim 98.7%
Pakistan -- Muslim 97%
Palestine -- Muslim 99%
Syria -- Muslim 90%
Tajikistan -- Muslim 90%
Turkey -- Muslim 99.8%
United Arab Emirates -- Muslim 96%

100% will usher in the peace of 'Dar-es-Salaam' -- the Islamic
House of Peace. Here there's supposed to be peace, because
everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and
the Koran is the only word, such as in:

Afghanistan -- Muslim 100%
Saudi Arabia -- Muslim 100%
Somalia -- Muslim 100%
Yemen -- Muslim 100%

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states
the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy
their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

'Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was
me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my
family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe;
the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel. -- Leon
Uris, 'The Haj'

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well
under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority
Muslim populations live in ghettos, within which they are 100%
Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national
police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national
courts, nor schools, nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such
situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large.
The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To
even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death.
Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and
extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

Today's 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world's population.
But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus,
Buddhists, Jews, and all other believers. Some say Muslims will
exceed 50% of the world's population by the end of this century.

~Adapted from Dr. Peter Hammond's book - "Slavery, Terrorism
and Islam: The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat"
 
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Beside the point:
Luke 11:27-28 27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. <


Youre not suggesting a contradiction are you...?



28And the angel came in unto her and said, "Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women."


42And she spoke out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.




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She gave birth to our Lord And Savior Jesus Christ, she was his mother she must have had a life that exceeded her widest dreams. Then she died but she had her memory's just the same as you and me. Chosen by God his Father to give birth to his Son Praise God, but then your church follows Babylonian tradition the doctrines of men, making her the Queen of Heaven, and then give her the glory that belongs to the Almighty, its a shame a crying shame and after what he did on that cross. :amen:
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Youre not suggesting a contradiction are you...?



28And the angel came in unto her and said, "Hail, thou that art highly favored, the Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women."


42And she spoke out with a loud voice and said, "Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.




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She gave birth to our Lord And Savior Jesus Christ, she was his mother she must have had a life that exceeded her widest dreams. Then she died but she had her memory's just the same as you and me. Chosen by God his Father to give birth to his Son Praise God, but then your church follows Babylonian tradition the doctrines of men, making her the Queen of Heaven, and then give her the glory that belongs to the Almighty, its a shame a crying shame and after what he did on that cross. :amen:
Thanks,
hogndog





What is my Church??




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It's blasphemy to elevate a mere human being to the status of divinity. Blasphemy. JESUS IS THE ARK. NOT your godess
no one did elevate her to the status of divinity. I am not RC. It is a matter of interpretation....like calling Rome the harlot. You do not know who is the that...you speculate .....She is not my godess.... Only ignorant people do think that or spread that for their own convenience... If she was not important in the incarnation narrative why would she be called blessed in ALL generations? Can you be called blessed in all generations? Was she not included amond the Apostles when the Holy Spirit descended upon them? Why do the scripture mentions her is she was not important? Why would Christ tell her that John would take care of her?

All these point out to her imporatance.
 
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And anyone can say that the teachings in the NT are not the authentic teachings of Christ and the apostles. Absent verifiable authenticity (unless you have some) there is no way to be objectively conclude that what the NT records are indeed the authentic teachings.

Again....

Our Catholic friend posted that the teaching is correct because Jesus and the Apostles taught it.

The apologetic is that Jesus and the Apostles (2 or more it seems) taught it.

Therefore, I asked the relevant question: where?
I asked for the quotes where Jesus and at least two of the Apostles taught this.
All I got what pages of evasions and now you chiming in with diversions...

I understand your point about authentic. Actually, I never limited it to such. If the poster wants to quote Jesus from the Gospel of Thomas, I'll look at that. If he wants to quote from some "lost" Epistle of St. Philip and some never heard of before letter from St. Nathanael, okay - I'll read what he presents, but so far NOTHING has been presented to substantiate the apologetic which he posted. Nothing. From anything. So your point is moot.

ANYONE can say, "Jesus and Philip and Nathanael all taught that Toyotas are better than Fords so it is dogma that they are." It's an entirely meaningless, useless and baseless argument not worth the time it takes to read it unless and until he can document that Jesus, Philip and Nathanael indeed taught that. Our Catholic friend SEEMS to be admitting he has NOTHING from ANYWHERE to support his claim. Therefore....







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Again....

Our Catholic friend posted that the teaching is correct because Jesus and the Apostles taught it.

The apologetic is that Jesus and the Apostles (2 or more it seems) taught it.

Therefore, I asked the relevant question: where?
I asked for the quotes where Jesus and at least two of the Apostles taught this.
All I got what pages of evasions and now you chiming in with diversions...

I understand your point about authentic. Actually, I never limited it to such. If the poster wants to quote Jesus from the Gospel of Thomas, I'll look at that. If he wants to quote from some "lost" Epistle of St. Philip and some never heard of before letter from St. Nathanael, okay - I'll read what he presents, but so far NOTHING has been presented to substantiate the apologetic which he posted. Nothing. From anything. So your point is moot.

ANYONE can say, "Jesus and Philip and Nathanael all taught that Toyotas are better than Fords so it is dogma that they are." It's an entirely meaningless, useless and baseless argument not worth the time it takes to read it unless and until he can document that Jesus, Philip and Nathanael indeed taught that. Our Catholic friend SEEMS to be admitting he has NOTHING from ANYWHERE to support his claim. Therefore....







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and you adhere to particular teachings because (afaik) they occur in the NT. So I am asking of you what you ask of the RC - as you appeal to the NT, I am asking you to prove that the teachings recorded in the NT can be verified to actually be those of Christ and the apostles.
 
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When you take in the whole word of God....you do sort of notice that all Glory goes to God and not to anybody else.

God did actualy swear by himself that to him every knee will bow and every tounge will swear allegiance.

You should not be praying to fellow servants like Mary....but then some do Love tradition more than truth.....white washed tombs was how Jesus described the pharisees of his day...apparently righteouse on the outside, they loved tradition more than truth.

Notice how Christ equated false teaching with Death.....

There is nothing wrong with reffering to Mary as blessed....she was....but making Graven images unto her, and then praying to her.....hmmmm, I would submit to death via the sword before taking part.

Peace
 
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Again....

Our Catholic friend posted that the teaching is correct because Jesus and the Apostles taught it.

The apologetic is that Jesus and the Apostles (2 or more it seems) taught it.

Therefore, I asked the relevant question: where?
I asked for the quotes where Jesus and at least two of the Apostles taught this.
All I got what pages of evasions and now you chiming in with diversions...

I understand your point about authentic. Actually, I never limited it to such. If the poster wants to quote Jesus from the Gospel of Thomas, I'll look at that. If he wants to quote from some "lost" Epistle of St. Philip and some never heard of before letter from St. Nathanael, okay - I'll read what he presents, but so far NOTHING has been presented to substantiate the apologetic which he posted. Nothing. From anything. So your point is moot.

ANYONE can say, "Jesus and Philip and Nathanael all taught that Toyotas are better than Fords so it is dogma that they are." It's an entirely meaningless, useless and baseless argument not worth the time it takes to read it unless and until he can document that Jesus, Philip and Nathanael indeed taught that. Our Catholic friend SEEMS to be admitting he has NOTHING from ANYWHERE to support his claim. Therefore....



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I appreciate that you will, "look at" additional sources other than the Bible such as Apocryphal works but, you do not consider these authoritative. I would assume these will not be acceptable.


Yet Josiah, I have to ask, what precisely are your requirements of proof (reasonable proof) in this matter. Why dont we just cut to the chase?




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Josiah said:


Again....

Our Catholic friend posted that the teaching is correct because Jesus and the Apostles taught it.

The apologetic is that Jesus and the Apostles (2 or more it seems) taught it. It all hinges on that point - that Jesus and at least 2 Apostles taught it. Therefore, I asked the relevant question: where?

I asked for the quotes where Jesus and at least two of the Apostles taught this. All I got what pages of evasions and now you chiming in with diversions...


I understand your point about authentic. Actually, I never limited it to such. If the poster wants to quote Jesus from the Gospel of Thomas, I'll look at that. If he wants to quote from some "lost" Epistle of St. Philip and some never heard of before letter from St. Nathanael, okay - I'll read what he presents, but so far NOTHING has been presented to substantiate the apologetic which he posted. Nothing. From anything. So your point is moot.



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I have to ask, what precisely are your requirements?



The substantiation...


If I posted, "Sen. Obama has promised that he will appoint Pope Benedict as his Secretary of State" it would be at least warrented and reasonable (if not required) for the substantiation: "When/where did Obama state that?" I'm not sure why the Catholics and Orthodox here find that entirely unreasonable and inappropriate and wrong....


ANYONE can say, "Jesus and Philip and Nathanael taught that Toyotas are better than Fords so it is dogma that they are." It's an entirely meaningless, useless and baseless argument not worth the time it takes to read it unless and until he can document that Jesus, Philip and Nathanael indeed taught that. Our Catholic friend SEEMS to be admitting he has NOTHING from ANYWHERE to support his claim. Therefore....





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The substantiation...


If I posted, "Sen. Obama has promised that he will appoint Pope Benedict as his Secretary of State" it would be at least warrented and reasonable (if not required) for the substantiation: "When/where did Obama state that?" I'm not sure why the Catholics and Orthodox here find that entirely unreasonable and inappropriate and wrong....


ANYONE can say, "Jesus and Philip and Nathanael taught that Toyotas are better than Fords so it is dogma that they are." It's an entirely meaningless, useless and baseless argument not worth the time it takes to read it unless and until he can document that Jesus, Philip and Nathanael indeed taught that. Our Catholic friend SEEMS to be admitting he has NOTHING from ANYWHERE to support his claim. Therefore....

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Josiah, you must have in mind the exact kind or type of proof which will be acceptable to you.


Im asking, what would this be, not what others may offer as proof.


Thank you




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Josiah, you must have in mind the exact kind or type of proof which will be acceptable to you.


If Jesus taught it, there must be somewhere where He taught it.
Just give the quote (referenced, of course).

Do the same for at least 2 of the 13 Apostles.


I would not seek any other substantiation for this than I would for my example of Obama promising to appoint Pope Benedict as his Secretary of State or of Jesus and Nathaniel and Philip teaching that Toyotas are better than Fords. If I said that Pope Benedict said that he's leaving the RCC and converting to Lutheranism, I have a hunch (that's all, just a hunch) that you'd want some substantiation for that - where/when he stated that. Now, my unseparated brother, remember: the whole point here is that the poster said that this teaching is correct because Jesus and the Apostles taught it: THAT is the apologetic. THAT, in my humble opinion, requires substantiation. I've been told - repeatedly - that that's entirely unreasonable, unnecessary and moot.






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If Jesus taught it, there must be somewhere where He taught it.
Just give the quote (referenced, of course).

Do the same for at least 2 of the 13 Apostles.


I would not seek any other substantiation for this than I would for my example of Obama promising to appoint Pope Benedict as his Secretary of State or of Jesus and Nathaniel and Philip teaching that Toyotas are better than Fords. If I said that Pope Benedict said that he's leaving the RCC and converting to Lutheranism, I have a hunch (that's all, just a hunch) that you'd want some substantiation for that - where/when he stated that. Now, my unseparated brother, remember: the whole point here is that the poster said that this teaching is correct because Jesus and the Apostles taught it: THAT is the apologetic. THAT, in my humble opinion, requires substantiation. I've been told - repeatedly - that that's entirely unreasonable, unnecessary and moot.



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Ok, If Jesus said it or 2 of the 13 Apostles (I wonder why 2 though), and we can quote this, that is the only source of proof which you will accept...correct?

Is this the same criteria for any doctrine?



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